Counter to front leg takedown?

[Brule]

This is a kung fu board, i'm surprised nobody mentioned the drop the elbow on the back of the head technique. Pretty much in the reptoire of every TCMAtist.

[bawang]

i think it came from tai chi people. the move is actually called "chest protecting fist" but they teach it to white people as a downward elbow.

[pazman]

This is a kung fu board, i'm surprised nobody mentioned the drop the elbow on the back of the head technique. Pretty much in the reptoire of every TCMAtist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBsZAQR27zk

Here you are....I never tire of laughing my ass off watching this.

[MightyB]

This won't work in San Da San Shou, but it works nice in submission grappling and BJJ. I've used it for years because "Sumi Gaeshi" is one of my bread and butter throws in Judo. The third clip is the lateral throw which is a variation for if your trapped leg is outside his legs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJy-Gw4cJto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ5oE0nMkOE

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/112786...e_leg_counter/

[lkfmdc]

There are two variations, head inside and head outside.

Here are a few things to look at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odSzk9iC-zU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uNSVC8uBwM

[EarthDragon]

mighty B and david ross's youtube examples are by far the best application for the counter. good find guys

[lkfmdc]

When it comes to wrestling, I look to Gable and John Smith, can't go wrong there

[Ray Pina]

level change and get the underook before they get the leg....prevention is better than cure........ if they do get in on the leg and are silly enough to put the head on the outside, make the leg heavy and crossface them so hard you break their jaw rip their head off to make them let go

This is correct.

In the above picture the attacker should not be leaning over with his head on the outside. His legs should be under him like a dead lift or squat and his forehead should be pinned to either the other's chest or under his armpit.

[Lebaufist]

Loved this one. 3:00

and this position should be almost automatic for any cma guy. 4:00
Note the crossing horse entry. This one should be a no brainer in assimilating that move.

[sanjuro_ronin]

The reality of it is this:
If a guy is good, whether his head is inside or out doesn't matter, he comes in fast,hard and well, you are going down.
There are many counters for the sngl leg, whether the head is inside or outside.
Ideally you want to counter BEFORE the hold sinks in, that is best case scenario.
With the hold in, you don't want to have him "run you over" or get inside you, so keep moving, but this often leads to losing balance.
Pros and cons to every counter and counter to every counter exist.
What you need to do is work on a couple counter for each variation ( head in or out) and drill them and focus on NOT allowing him to cinch the hold and get you off balance.
Find what works best FOR YOU through constant drilling and practice.

[Lebaufist]

Everybody say "Amen" ! Thank you , St Paul.

[lkfmdc]

The reality of it is this:
If a guy is good, whether his head is inside or out doesn't matter, he comes in fast,hard and well, you are going down.
There are many counters for the sngl leg, whether the head is inside or outside.
Ideally you want to counter BEFORE the hold sinks in, that is best case scenario.
With the hold in, you don't want to have him "run you over" or get inside you, so keep moving, but this often leads to losing balance.
Pros and cons to every counter and counter to every counter exist.
What you need to do is work on a couple counter for each variation ( head in or out) and drill them and focus on NOT allowing him to cinch the hold and get you off balance.
Find what works best FOR YOU through constant drilling and practice.

1) I laugh when people try and claim that no one does head outside takdowns

2) if it were EASY to defend against you wouldn't see so many counters in modern wrestling

[Lebaufist]

ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss boooooooooooooooooooooooo sssssssssssssssssssssss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuvejrTTcNM

[Frost]

1) I laugh when people try and claim that no one does head outside takdowns

2) if it were EASY to defend against you wouldn't see so many counters in modern wrestling

Don’t think anyone claimed no one does head out side shots or that it was easy to defend, I think what was said was that in submission wrestling its not the best version to do, even in wrestling most of the coaches I have worked with whilst showing both usually say head inside is better allows more control and is more difficult to defend

[lkfmdc]

Don’t think anyone claimed no one does head out side shots or that it was easy to defend, I think what was said was that in submission wrestling its not the best version to do, even in wrestling most of the coaches I have worked with whilst showing both usually say head inside is better allows more control and is more difficult to defend

oh, I HAVE seen people say there is no such thing as a head outside takedown even! But no point in latching onto that one point

And RE defense I just mean those lame videos with THE (ie single) answer to any takedown