This is Pak Mei Master Simon Lui Long Chun

[Dark Chi]

LOL

I've just figuered it out that Simon Lui is your sifu Mr Duke see a few of your yt videos.

this rare case the student is better than the teacher-good on you Mr Duke.

[DuKe1973]

LOL

I've just figuered it out that Simon Lui is your sifu Mr Duke see a few of your yt videos.

this rare case the student is better than the teacher-good on you Mr Duke.

I am Mr. Du Ke/Do Hak (Alex Do).
Sifu Lui is my Pak Mei Sifu, yet my body is much younger so it may appear more limber and flexible. We'll see what time does to me later

My southern mantis sifu is Gin Foon Mark, but as you can see from his homepage, he doesn't move like he used to. Perhaps age....

[DuKe1973]

Sorry Mr Duke I think I've just worked out this is you?
I don't mean to be dis-respectful,However if you keep your waist from rising what will this do?
Your Bui is pretty much spot on but the waves or the "Fa" is way to much for my liking(sorry)

Fa ging would change your whole posture and direction and diffuse your power whether it be a bui or a lung tui punch.

Hope this helps Mr Duke

The wave is actually a coil around someone's bridge. Perhaps I'll demonstrate in a future video. This is the largest "wave" you will see. At it's best, you will only see a small arc and coil. smaller the better. Check out my Regular jik bo video demos. This winter I should be training twice as much as I do now so hopefully I can get some uploads for all to watch. cheers!

[DuKe1973]

The wave is actually a coil around someone's bridge. Perhaps I'll demonstrate in a future video. This is the largest "wave" you will see. At it's best, you will only see a small arc and coil. smaller the better. Check out my Regular jik bo video demos. This winter I should be training twice as much as I do now so hopefully I can get some uploads for all to watch. cheers!

The rising of the body is the floating biu posture ("duk seh tim lei"). It is intended to hit the soft vulnerable points of the body such as the throat and eyes. If you notice, when my body is at the bent triangle stance as also my opponent. As I rise, I would be able to hit his soft points without having raised my arms rather then hit his chest with my finger tips in a stationary position. The obvious would be that I biu gee and raise my arms. This style has much to do about tactic and expecting the unexpected

I can guarantee you not many schools know the essence of floating. All is about qi, but also about structure too. Cheers!

Remember every style has a trademark. I'm just trying to preserve the styles I've learnt in it's own entity.

[Dark Chi]

The rising of the body is the floating biu posture ("duk seh tim lei"). It is intended to hit the soft vulnerable points of the body such as the throat and eyes. If you notice, when my body is at the bent triangle stance as also my opponent. As I rise, I would be able to hit his soft points without having raised my arms rather then hit his chest with my finger tips in a stationary position. The obvious would be that I biu gee and raise my arms. This style has much to do about tactic and expecting the unexpected

I can guarantee you not many schools know the essence of floating. All is about qi, but also about structure too. Cheers!

Remember every style has a trademark. I'm just trying to preserve the styles I've learnt in it's own entity.

Hi
yes but when you rise you rise to high,your legs almost straighten then you sink back its a vertical circle like a wheel motion.IMO the hips should stay on the same level and not go up and down because of the motion of energy.Maybe thats why your ging doesn't appear when you move it seems to decline sorry if I I offend I mean not to.
Yes I understand you dont raise your arms but if the opponant is on the same level then if you rise you would hit his forehead because you rise around 4 inches.
If your hips stayed on the same lvl the you would be on target which is the soft part of the throat.I would say that if you rise then you shouldn't rise more than 1 inch the reason is you can be "chu" (tugged) far to easy one of the essence of sip bat mor.

[Dark Chi]

I am Mr. Du Ke/Do Hak (Alex Do).
Sifu Lui is my Pak Mei Sifu, yet my body is much younger so it may appear more limber and flexible. We'll see what time does to me later

My southern mantis sifu is Gin Foon Mark, but as you can see from his homepage, he doesn't move like he used to. Perhaps age....

My father is 77 yrs old and he moves like a 40yr old and my uncle is 80 he moves like a 35 yr old,I'm over 40 and I move like a 25 yr old.
Maybe its because we practice tai chi now have done seriously since 25yrs old but we still laugh and play PM with our "lap suiw" (lap sao) lol

maybe you could do a training video of lap sao they are very entertaining.

thanks for reading

[Dark Chi]

My father is 77 yrs old and he moves like a 40yr old and my uncle is 80 he moves like a 35 yr old,I'm over 40 and I move like a 25 yr old.
Maybe its because we practice tai chi now have done seriously since 25yrs old but we still laugh and play PM with our "lap suiw" (lap sao) lol

maybe you could do a training video of lap sao they are very entertaining.

thanks for reading

I forgot to add we move in very small circles of energy we arn't flamboyant in any way, we do not waste energy of any sort.(especially when we fight or sparr)

[DuKe1973]

Hi
yes but when you rise you rise to high,your legs almost straighten then you sink back its a vertical circle like a wheel motion.IMO the hips should stay on the same level and not go up and down because of the motion of energy.Maybe thats why your ging doesn't appear when you move it seems to decline sorry if I I offend I mean not to.
Yes I understand you dont raise your arms but if the opponant is on the same level then if you rise you would hit his forehead because you rise around 4 inches.
If your hips stayed on the same lvl the you would be on target which is the soft part of the throat.I would say that if you rise then you shouldn't rise more than 1 inch the reason is you can be "chu" (tugged) far to easy one of the essence of sip bat mor.

Measurements can be adjusted. It is true I do stand up as it was taught. It uses the natural law of Yin and Yang daoist principles. Tai Yin is fully sunken at chum where the spine contracts and Tai Yang is fully erect at float position where the spine fully extends (including the legs and arms). Tai means 'very' or fully. In Cantonese Tai Yum and Tai Yeung. The energies are constantly flowing and interchanging, never stationary. From CLC's sons generations on forward they've taken out the stands and raised the biu's, when in actuality it was and still is part of the system. Check with the 1st generation CLC schools before his sons and you will see the same lessons apply. I am not worried about being tugged as long as knowing when to approprately apply Fau how to apply chum, having the optimum whiplash effect.

I'm known in the area for my free hand fighting skills and sticky hand challenges, but wanted to spent this whole year focusing on filming form instead so I can preserve it in history for our Ng Yiu lineage.

I used to wrestle in college, so think of it as a pressing tie to a sudden drop to a double leg takedown.

~Alex

[DuKe1973]

I forgot to add we move in very small circles of energy we arn't flamboyant in any way, we do not waste energy of any sort.(especially when we fight or sparr)

I also do yang style taiji and a little chen. I do agree, taji has great health benefits by keeping the body limber. Do you have any clips on youtube??
I have one, but taiji is too political so the ratings aren't good. Watch it if you'd like. It has only 7 postures in that clip.

In my taiji it is like a river never stale and does not bob. But my Pak Mei is like the seaside with lots of waves.

Clips clips clips!!?!

[DuKe1973]

I forgot to add we move in very small circles of energy we arn't flamboyant in any way, we do not waste energy of any sort.(especially when we fight or sparr)

When it comes time I make some PM application vids, it will be similar to my Jook Lum vids but with more sok ging. At both peaks the arts are merely the same.

~Alex

[Faruq]

I'm known in the area for my free hand fighting skills and sticky hand challenges, but wanted to spend this whole year focusing on filming form instead so I can preserve it in history for our Ng Yiu lineage.

~Alex

Alex, it would totally rock if you video taped (if only to send just to me! lol) some of these free hand fighting skills and sticky hand challenges! On this forum as in so many other places, whether traditional chinese martial arts even work is a point of serious contentious in this MMA/UFC world. Especially when at all the tournaments martial artists of every style revert to kickboxing, to the point that you would never be able to guess what style or school they were representing without being told. So anytime anyone with your skills comes along, I've got to ask him to represent for TCMA!

My father is 77 yrs old and he moves like a 40yr old and my uncle is 80 he moves like a 35 yr old,I'm over 40 and I move like a 25 yr old.
Maybe its because we practice tai chi now have done seriously since 25yrs old but we still laugh and play PM with our "lap suiw" (lap sao) lol

maybe you could do a training video of lap sao they are very entertaining.

thanks for reading

Dark Chi, with you and your family's qualifications, it would be totally awesome if you taped yourselves in action and posted the footage as well!!!

[DuKe1973]

Hi Mr Duke
Never heard of Sei moon baat gwa from CLC (I've heard of San mun ken(hak ga)but that was dropped from the main core of PM.

Sei moon= 4 doors to you maybe
san mun = close door to me
somehow the translation is lost or evolved either way im not familiar.

Baat gwa(bat ga ken?)I think there is definate confusion here.
we have ma pu(horse stand/walk),tih pu(straight walk),gui pui tui(nine step push,sip bat mor(18 demons),mang fu chut lim(fierce tiger exits the forest) and umm mor(5 elements)
I believe the confusion lies that the 5 elements are infact lost no one ever achieved this,and this form was to be said by CLC as similar to what we know is Bak gua(not a form at all)
bat ga ken is the same a bak gua(bak gua is cantonese and bat ga ken is hak ga)

I dont know but yours seems to be the juk lim(formly of tong long not direct from PM) although I've not seen how you hold your elbows and fist. Only your strike.

sorry I cant go into lineages as I am bound even now.

thanks for reading

I disagree.
Sei Moon Baat Gwa is definitely part of the curriculum. It was Som Moon Baat gwa that was added by some other lineages.
The CLC Pak Mei Saying written by CLC is "四門八掛(勢)細如風" Sei Moon Baat Gwa Sai Yu Fung. Which means the four schools combine to create a momentum like small wind.
Ng Hang and Ng Hang Mor is the closed door forms, which deal with the concept of elements.

Do not confuse with Gwa's in Taiji. Very very different.

Forms: Jik Bo, Gau Bo tui, Sup Baat Mor Kiu (which does not mean demons,but merely rubbing/adhering), Mang Fu Chuet Lam, Som Moon Chui, Sei Moon Baat Gwa, Sup Gee Kau Da, Dai Sup Gee "Sek Si Kuen", Ying Jow Nim Kiu, Gum Gong Kuen, Ng Hang Kuen, Dei Saat Kuen, Ng Hang Mor. These are all the hand forms.

[DuKe1973]

Tao of CLC Pak Mei Pai:

研拳術 究拳宗
直步拳 是練功
吞吐浮沉在其中
苦練功成勁貫通
十字本事扣打術
三門乃是偷打功
鞭橋搶打猛如龍
四門八卦勢如風
地煞勤練好腿功
循步繼而學正宗
九步推，法猶兇
推馬行橋任我攻
十八摩 變化多
暗藏機關重疊重
練到爐火純青後
猛虎出林是高峰

Form: Sei Moon Baat Gwa is in fact in exisistance for us CLC lineages. I tried to create a small wind with my 3 foot tiger kicks.

[Yum Cha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9YcST2WN90&NR=1

I don't recall high kicks in pak mei,there is only deng gueork (stab/ward off leg)

am I missing something???

There is a combination like this in Dey Sut, where most the kicking creativity comes from, however the kicks are directed lower in the version I have learned. Knee and hip joint, with the cresent to the head once the opponent has been kicked in the guts and bent over.

Its quite common for people, especially coming from other kicking arts, to say, 'Hey I can kick High too' and do so.

There's also a brutal low kick in Saam Mun...across the body to the leg, not the regular "teep" kinda stabbing front kick.

[TAO YIN]

Dark Chi,

Agreed and understood. I think concave is a very bad word, I should have put it in quotation marks as it is the word always used. Bad word! hehe

A relaxed heart. This is a better idea.

Thanks for replying to my post also.

Cheers,

Tao