Guandong Quan Mystery

**GeneChing** · 01-16-2012, 11:32 AM

**LFJ** · 01-17-2012, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by RD'S Alias - 1A

The story I always heard was that the lengths were unequal when he broke the end off of it.

This weapon (not the set though)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79yDn7kimVM

That must have been a misunderstanding by certain people.

That weapon in Chinese is usually called a shaozigun (flail staff). The weapon made by Zhao Kuangyin is called liangjiegun (two-section staff). Here is a picture of the weapon from the Encyclopedia. It's two equal halves, as if it had been broken right down the middle during an overhead block or something.

**LFJ** · 01-17-2012, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by RD'S Alias - 1A

I have no problem downloading the reader. Where can I find it?
If you would be so kind, send the files to royaldragonusa@yahoo.com.

Does the Shaolin Encyclopedia mention Lao Hong Quan or Yuan Houquan at all?

Nope, neither the 4 volume set nor the newer 2 volume set show either of these. Wish they did. Would love to see what they have to say about their history!

I'll send the pages to you...

Edit: If you google search Boox Viewer there are several Chinese websites where you can download it, if you haven't already.

**RD'S Alias - 1A** · 01-17-2012, 05:20 PM

In return for your kindness, I sent you what i have on Yuan Hou Quan and Lao Hong Quan. I don't read Chinese, but I am sure it just showes how to work out the set.

There is also a two man set based on general Qi Jiguangs postures.

**RenDaHai** · 01-17-2012, 06:14 PM

Just to add PanLongGun is a common staff form in the village shaolin styles along with MeiQi (sometimes Qimei) gun.

I don't know if the form PanLongGun is a ZKY form or is simply refrencing the name. It is a name used in forms all over China.

**RD'S Alias - 1A** · 01-17-2012, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by LFJ

Yes, the encyclopedia shows both. The history bit tells the same story. They were both part of the material ZKY exchanged with Shaolin. But the encyclopedia is also the only reference I know for these.

From the introduction it appears the spear was a whole set, but Linglongquan was just loose techniques. Because it says, in the Linglongquan intro, he taught them the skills he was good at, particularly his Changquan and Linglongquan skills. But then it was Abbot Fuju who arranged the techniques into a 33 posture set named Shaolin Linglongquan.

What does LingLongquan translate into? Am I correct in thinking it is Exquisite Dragon Boxing?

To comment more, if LinLongQuan was only taught as loose techniques, then it stands to reason that Lao Hong Quan was probably loose techniques too. The form was created by the monks then.

**Xian** · 01-18-2012, 10:16 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BF0k...el_video_title

I guess its a better presentation of the style

Kind regards,
Xian

**LFJ** · 01-18-2012, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by RD'S Alias - 1A

What does LingLongquan translate into? Am I correct in thinking it is Exquisite Dragon Boxing?

To comment more, if LinLongQuan was only taught as loose techniques, then it stands to reason that Lao Hong Quan was probably loose techniques too. The form was created by the monks then.

Not exactly. The characters have a different radical on the side, so it's not 'dragon'. 玲珑

Here's what they mean together: Linglong 玲珑

The encyclopedia says it was Abbot Fuju who arranged Zhao's Linglongquan into a set called Linglongquan. So... I assume that means Zhao's "Linglongquan" was not the name of a set, but just a group of loose techniques.

**RenDaHai** · 01-18-2012, 01:06 PM

Hey Team,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BF0kSBN4Lg

This is close to the GuanDongQUan of RuanCunPai that I mentioned above. NanYuan.

Very different to the Xiyuan version done by Wushu Guan Above.

**RD'S Alias - 1A** · 01-18-2012, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by RenDaHai

Hey Team,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BF0kSBN4Lg

This is close to the GuanDongQUan of RuanCunPai that I mentioned above. NanYuan.

Very different to the Xiyuan version done by Wushu Guan Above.

Now THAT was interesting!!! Do you know anything about this set? I see some similarities with Da Hong Quan, and a couple other things that remind me of Lao Hong Quan (tripple punch). This is the closest thing I have seen to date, to a stylist fit with the rest of the ZKY stuff.

**Royal Dragon** · 06-19-2012, 10:26 PM

FOUND THEM!!!!! (Well, Sal did anyway)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFtR_...feature=relmfu

**LFJ** · 07-08-2013, 02:25 AM

Here is the Guandongquan from the Ruan village Shaolin Nanyuan sect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPQXItlNmqA

**Tea Serpent** · 07-14-2013, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Royal Dragon

Hello!
There is a persistent rummer that the Guan Dong quan, and GuanXi Quan of Zhao Kuang yin (along with a 36 posture set, and a 366 one) are preserved in the Taoist lines at Wudang. I am looking for those 4 sets.

In the Wudang Hong Quan system which isn't practiced in Wudang and likely wasn't from Wudang the Guan Xi Jia corresponds to the 366 hands sets and the Guan Dong Jia corresponds to the 36 roads set.

**Tea Serpent** · 07-14-2013, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Howard

Really ? Wudang Hong Quan is from the greater Xuzhou area in the central plains. such as Feng county and Peixian county - it is likely younger than Liuhe Quan, Yanqing Quan and Shanxi Hong Quan which have same named forms.

The Legend: During the Song dynasty there was some Wudang Mt Daoist lay disciple who was surnamed 'Hong' and had apparently been motivated by the stories of Song Taizu's armies which would be split into East, west etc...then the boxing took attributes along those lines...

The Closer reality: Zhang Dongshu (1856-1933) was fond of MA when he was young and studied with his father Zhang Wanqing (an expert of so-called Wudang Hong Quan) and learnt from many teachers/boxer friends (in those days many boxers around the Yihe tuan and other rebellious activities) ... afterwhich he established the Wudang Hongquan system.

Honestly no one knows how old the style is.
However it was not made up by Zhang Dongshu and his Father. Wudang Da Hong Quan is only one 4 very closely related branches of Da Hong Quan practiced in the Peixian area. Each one of those branches comes from a totally different source, yet all of them have similar versions of the same core forms.

**Sal Canzonieri** · 07-18-2013, 11:50 AM

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