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I'm sure Chan Yu Min did more than a few 'tests' to get the title of '7 province King of poles'.
http://www.wingchunpedia.org/pmwiki/...=WCP.ChanYuMin
Said to be most famous for his abilities with the six-and-a-half point pole, Chan Yiu-Min earned the title of Chut Sang Gwun Wong (Qi Sheng Gu Wang, King of the Pole of Seven Provinces) by defeating all challengers in a great tournament. The trophy, an engraved pole as thick as an arm, was said to have been hung above the door of his own school.
I'm sure he did, but that's a bit of a miscomparison imho because back then they got onto the leitai in the village square and just fought! NO PADS AND REAL POLES!
And FWIW, My Sigung also had a similar title his students referred to as 'King of Stick' from his unbeatable weaponry fights. But again, nobody would know because nobody has asked or talked about that sort of thing in many years.
And I do not recall any stories of him fighting other Wing Chun people with his stick, it was other systems and stylists!
Ti Fei
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You have been taught by a good colleague Ian, so I would be happy to share here. If you have further detailed questions then just email me privately.
If you are talking about the straight line methods of WCK - Jeet Sin Kuen, then the poles first point, which most people call biu gwan or cheurng gwan is the origin of such methods. Basically, the pole IS the straight line between you and your opponent, and there are many angles and curvatures of this line to study and practice fme.
This line is also not to be restricted to square facing body methods, as our 1st point teaches the side body method (which still has straight line strategies!) and how to penetrate the centre line defence of most weaponry players.
The 'His-story' of the pole and how we claim it was inherited into our lineage is different than the mainstream, in that it wasn't Leung Yee Tais method. It was his teachers and grandteachers method! And that history is from another style, namely Hung Gar Kuen, so I guess this is why such ideas were hidden.
Well, until Shaolin Weng Chun and HFY arrived...
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Ti Fei
詠春國術
The difference between competition and training/testing. For training you have to pad up.
And competitions??
FME It is very evident upon touching pole to pole who has the upper hand and who is better imho just like it is when we touch hands. So the majority of times I have been in such scenarios the other person just pulls back in acceptance No point in killing eachother!!
But I would love to cross poles with other, more experienced fighters as most opportunities I have had I knew the result before we even touched poles!!!
Ti Fei
詠春國術
Thanks Spencer, really just interested to hear everyone's ideas of where the pole moves came from and when they became part of the Wing Chun system. I find hearing the different takes on the origins and history of the art fascinating and a pleasant distraction from pointless slag fests.
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I have that title too, but for different reasons.My Sigung also had a similar title his students referred to as 'King of Stick'
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I know exactly what you mean but also see that I bring a lot of criticism on myself because sometime I do get a bit over animated here!!
But man, the last 2 posts sum up the sort of crass humour you have to put up with on KFO! And sometimes I do think certain things are not just said in light humour either...
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"But man, the last 2 posts sum up the sort of crass humour you have to put up with on KFO!"
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