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Last edited by Phil Redmond; 09-21-2011 at 07:33 PM.
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It looked more like Tai Chi combat than Wing Chun. I say this because of the initial stance. As for the trapping or clinching, if the wrists are grabbed, you can tan sau or huen sau out of the grab easily provided you relax. Then the opponent would not be able to push you around as shown.Originally Posted by imperialtaichi
Some Kulo methods of controlling.... of course this is not the only way, and that each Wing Chun line has its own effective interpretations. And of course every technique has its counter techniques.
I didn't realize how much it looked like "clinching", until I looked at it myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavwAileZ8Y
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John
Last edited by trubblman; 09-20-2011 at 09:31 PM.
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Nice clip Sifu!
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Now that's more like 'aggressive' trapping AND follow-up! Nice
And no Tai Chi required
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Anyone still think one punch wont transfer force enough to stop n drop ?
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Don't disagree that one punch can be enough but if you watch the full clip (its on youtube) you'll see that the KO'd guy was virtually out on his feet from the previous exchange when he took a barrage of chain punches (Watch his legs after they stand up)
Still nice to see something that looks like Wing Chun for a change
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True...props to him for fighting on...
Don't disagree that one punch can be enough but if you watch the full clip (its on youtube) you'll see that the KO'd guy was virtually out on his feet from the previous exchange when he took a barrage of chain punches (Watch his legs after they stand up)
Still nice to see something that looks like Wing Chun for a change
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I liked the video, John.
I like how you're always disrupting the balance.
In regards to your first demonstration of the ol' trap and slap and how you can't keep doing that, I believe two things:
1. If your low trap/pak hit hard enough to disrupt the balance along with the punch disrupting balance, it has a higher success rate
2. I feel this is only a drill to emphasize the points raised in #1
All the best,
CTK
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It didn't seem to in the 90 plus punches I counted in the guy's subsequent match on the same day...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrjID6IdxWk
Of course the unskilled clinching didn't seem to help much.
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Yeah - I don't know where you're going with all this anyway - is it a big shock that someone can get KTFO'd in a fight? Don't think so. Does it happen a lot? Very infrequent compared to the number of punches thrown in a given fight.And wayfaring is going to show us how its done right ?one punch ko's
Are there better examples of clinching than trying to hold someone's wrists with their arms crossed and angle them off for a strike? Yes, that is very low percentage.
But again I'm not sure of your point.
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Have you ever personally ko'd anyone with one punch , real fight, Gym fight ?
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Hi Wayfaring. The name of the event is Standup Manup. The idea for these events came from some people who wanted to focus on standup. Remember in the old UFC fights where fighters would be on the mat for 45 mins or more? The UFC changed that because people got bored. Plus, watching a good standup fight with someone getting KTFO is more exciting. So yes, the guys are not as proficient as a good grappler. Now, I personally feel that grappling is a skill that every martial artist should have. But that's how myself and others feel. Some people are just tired of seeing grappling. Maybe that's why boxing purses are larger than MMA purses.
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Ummm. Yes.
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Hi Phil,
Yes I've seen the videos of this you have posted around. I am not knocking the concept or the people involved - actually it's great that you can do that kind of thing in NY with MMA not being sanctioned. It's kind of a cool smoker level mixup overall. But a lot of people, especially some of the WCK folks around here mistake what that video shows as "trapping" to involve some kind of advanced clinch/grappling skill - that is very far from reality. It's much worse to do things like that video than even a good boxer's clinch like how Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson.
The idea of focusing on standup isn't new - there of course are boxing and MT events too. K-1 is one of the ultimate in these. Ernesto Hoost - Buakaw - awsome!!!
There's even the in-between arts like Sanshou that Cung Le dominated by decent striking and really aggressive hip throws.
Wrestling actually is an amazing art too - but the best college athletes compete in gyms with very few in the stands. Watch Chael Sanderson sometime for excitement. I like to check out the NCAA championships - some great athletes there. Unfortunately outside of MMA they can only go on to a career with the WWE to pursue it. Or the Olympics.
The UFC - yeah the old to new progression kind of went from zero restrictions in a fight to the current rules which are good and bad. There were the matches like Royce hanging on to Severn for 15 minutes then getting a triangle. But then there were the exciting ones too like the Sumo guy getting his teeth kicked into the 3rd row in the first 15 seconds. Too violent and thus unpopular on one hand, too little action and not exciting enough on the other. Hence rules, refs, modifications for entertainment.
On boxing - I think there's more money there because it's the old versus the new and MMA hasn't quite caught up yet, but is getting there. The UFC has a $90M annual Fox deal now so it's coming up - but still you have only Dana White and the Fertita's pocketing anywhere near PBF coin. Not the fighters. As more money flows it will attract better athletes. Jon Bones Jones is one example of this. And I'm a fan of the sweet science too. On the night of the PBF vs. Ortiz fight, one of the guys in my gym had a pro MMA title defense at the No Mercy show. I watched one live, and taped HBO. All so I could see poor reffing and an obnoxious interview taint some pretty talented guys going at it. Floyd looked real sharp!
I guess whatever fans like and pay for will survive. Out west here the small MMA shows are getting 200-300 fans at $25 a pop. That's enough to pay travel expenses for fighters instead of charging them a $75 tournament entry fee. But we get that many at BJJ and other grappling tournaments as well. Not so many at HS and college wrestling. And not so many at smaller boxing events. It is what it is.
But at your manup standup events, if the rules are going to allow clinch engagements to the takedown, that's kind of like the Sanshou rules. It might benefit the guys to watch a few Cung Le fights on YouTube and cross-train some basic Greco-Roman upper body wrestling skills a little instead of groping each other and falling down when in clinch range.
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soooo, how many times ?
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