Bawang Quan in Cailifo/Choy Lee Fut?

[Marcelo-RJ]

I have some Choy Lee Fut training from Northern Shaolin GM Chan Kwok Wai's disciple, the late Sifu Marcello Teixeira, here in Rio. That hapenned as far back as 1990, and only for a few months.

Eventually I have started learning a very long form called "Bawan Quan" ( 霸王拳 - do not know the Cantonese pronounciation, sorry!), which is the first one taught within GM Chan Kwok Wai's school.

I have never heard of, nor seen, such a form, except for the quotation in http://www.ccak.org/en/articles/cailifo-pai, so I ask the brothers here whether this form is anyhow known outside of the lineage of GM Chan, who learned Hung Sing from Yan You Chin and Buk Sing from Ying Sheung Mo (see chart on the bottom of http://www.sinobrasileira.org/index....subid=11&ln=pt ).

Thanks a lot, in advance, for your attention,

Marcelo

[hskwarrior]

I've never heard of this form as its not in Fut San Hung Sing Kwoons material. perhaps its a chan fam form or even Chan Kwok Wai created it.

all i've found so far is shaw brother movies and cartoons.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XslNHCfTBTc

[Faruq]

So then Bawang apparently means despot king, not purple newborn calf! What cruel deception on the part of Shifu Bawang!

[hskwarrior]

Bawang the Overseer................of what is another issue all by itself.

[Marcelo-RJ]

Thank you, Sifu Frank, for the informantion regarding the Futsan Hung Sing.
I have asked Sifu Wong Yen Zem from Xing Hui, and he told me he has never heard about that form either.
So, the form (a) was created by Chan Kwok Wai; or (b) was created by one of Chan Kwok Wai's teachers (Yan You Chin and Ying Sheung Mo) and subsequently taught to CKW.
I have tried to communicate with Master CKW but his email is not working. I'll let you know if I happen to find out something.

Marcelo

[hskwarrior]

cool. good luck with that bro

[Lee Chiang Po]

I have some Choy Lee Fut training from Northern Shaolin GM Chan Kwok Wai's disciple, the late Sifu Marcello Teixeira, here in Rio. That hapenned as far back as 1990, and only for a few months.

Eventually I have started learning a very long form called "Bawan Quan" ( 霸王拳 - do not know the Cantonese pronounciation, sorry!), which is the first one taught within GM Chan Kwok Wai's school.

I have never heard of, nor seen, such a form, except for the quotation in http://www.ccak.org/en/articles/cailifo-pai, so I ask the brothers here whether this form is anyhow known outside of the lineage of GM Chan, who learned Hung Sing from Yan You Chin and Buk Sing from Ying Sheung Mo (see chart on the bottom of http://www.sinobrasileira.org/index....subid=11&ln=pt ).

Thanks a lot, in advance, for your attention,

Marcelo

Philippine Tagalog has Bawang as meaning crazy.

[sunwukon]

i believe the name bawang, in this case is a homage to a chinese "hero". the same as in this movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rYUDahgHaU

[Marcelo-RJ]

Brothers:

Does anyone know how would "Bawang" be pronounced in Cantonese?

Sifu Frank,

Yes, I tend to think it's Buk Sing-related, since I do not recognize the opening as Hung Sing or Chan Fam. However, the opening is not the same as in this Buk Sing video either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-l-deL6TQw

CLFNole,

I agree with you: many forms must have been / be created by someone other than Chan Heung, Jeung Hung Sing and even Tam Sam. My old Hung Gar teacher, Li Hon Ki, created two excellent forms to be taught as "Hoi Sao" before the Tiger Taming set. Now that he's into Lam fam, those forms were put aside and the new students lack something of the good old times body expression when they perform the first two or three forms.

So, it would be OK even if Chan Kwok Wai created the Bawang Quan form. I just wanted to know where it came from, now that I moved back from Wing Chun to Choy Lee Fut.

Errr... Cantose for "Bawang", please?

Thanks, once again!

[Da Jai]

Cantonese for Bawang is just Ba Wong.

[CLFNole]

Yes as I mentioned earlier it is "Ba Wong" two words and two characters.

[sunwukon]

Brothers:
However, the opening is not the same as in this Buk Sing video either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-l-deL6TQw

but is very close, dont you think?


i've found some bits, but its very poorly executed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK1e6tSCaAw

[bawang]

i would like to thank the hung sing for naming a form after me

[CLFNole]

but is very close, dont you think?


i've found some bits, but its very poorly executed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK1e6tSCaAw

Has more of a buk sing look to it (although buk sing has a different feel and power compared to that performer) but probably a created form combining elements from both branches.

[jmd161]

but is very close, dont you think?


i've found some bits, but its very poorly executed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK1e6tSCaAw

I trained at a school that taught this same form... the form name was in fact Ba Wong Kuen. We were always told it was a Choy Lay Fut form but, I could never find a CLF stylist that had ever heard of it...

The lineage was through Chan Kwok Wei...