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    Maybe I'll film a part of the form and send it to youtube next weekend.
    that will help. as the Opening of the form will tell you if its Chan Fam, Hung Sing or Buk Sing.

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    according to the above it looks like Bawang Quan was a style.
    here's a book link that mentions Bawang Quan as Rulers Fist:

    I found a form not a CLF form but a form with that name:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfJfXAoisWM
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    hi friends!

    im the "brazilian teacher from a southern state"

    maybe Horacio DiRenzo could help us here. anyone know his nick in this forum?

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    this site seems to have the chinese characters:

    http://www.ccak.cz/en/articles/cailifo-pai
    Last edited by sunwukon; 09-13-2011 at 05:32 PM.

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    I have attached a picture with the Chinese characteres above.

    Sifu Frank, the opening is not Chan Fam CLF for sure. It starts with a double palm upwards, slight to the right, then the palms go down and a high arm block with the hands in tiger claw shape comes up, followed by a low block with the same arm; then comes a high block with the left arm, that is crossed by the right arm as if breaking the opponent's arm, everything with the hands in claw. Only then one turns to the right and makes the first double stab (front and behind).

    I hope I can post the opening + some loose parts of the form on youtube next weekend.

    Meanwhile, I hope brother Di Renzo comes forward and helps us with this question.

    All the best!

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    It could be a form that was made by a buk sing sifu. The name is not a common one so maybe some sifu created it. Nothing wrong with that if that is the case as long as the form makes sense. Besides thats how CLF has so many forms...they all weren't created by Chan Heung (a bit crazy to believe that actually).

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    Sifu Frank, the opening is not Chan Fam CLF for sure. It starts with a double palm upwards, slight to the right, then the palms go down and a high arm block with the hands in tiger claw shape comes up,

    ahhhhh the Fu Jow in the opening says Buk Sing to me. cool.
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    My wife said the chinese characters translate to Ba Wong Kuen and it roughly means the the "top guy" or "tough guy" also could mean like a "dai lo" or big boss (gangsta - hak sei woi type).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcelo-RJ View Post
    I have some Choy Lee Fut training from Northern Shaolin GM Chan Kwok Wai's disciple, the late Sifu Marcello Teixeira, here in Rio. That hapenned as far back as 1990, and only for a few months.

    Eventually I have started learning a very long form called "Bawan Quan" ( 霸王拳 - do not know the Cantonese pronounciation, sorry!), which is the first one taught within GM Chan Kwok Wai's school.

    I have never heard of, nor seen, such a form, except for the quotation in http://www.ccak.org/en/articles/cailifo-pai, so I ask the brothers here whether this form is anyhow known outside of the lineage of GM Chan, who learned Hung Sing from Yan You Chin and Buk Sing from Ying Sheung Mo (see chart on the bottom of http://www.sinobrasileira.org/index....subid=11&ln=pt ).

    Thanks a lot, in advance, for your attention,

    Marcelo
    Philippine Tagalog has Bawang as meaning crazy.
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    i believe the name bawang, in this case is a homage to a chinese "hero". the same as in this movie:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rYUDahgHaU

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    Brothers:

    Does anyone know how would "Bawang" be pronounced in Cantonese?

    Sifu Frank,

    Yes, I tend to think it's Buk Sing-related, since I do not recognize the opening as Hung Sing or Chan Fam. However, the opening is not the same as in this Buk Sing video either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-l-deL6TQw

    CLFNole,

    I agree with you: many forms must have been / be created by someone other than Chan Heung, Jeung Hung Sing and even Tam Sam. My old Hung Gar teacher, Li Hon Ki, created two excellent forms to be taught as "Hoi Sao" before the Tiger Taming set. Now that he's into Lam fam, those forms were put aside and the new students lack something of the good old times body expression when they perform the first two or three forms.

    So, it would be OK even if Chan Kwok Wai created the Bawang Quan form. I just wanted to know where it came from, now that I moved back from Wing Chun to Choy Lee Fut.

    Errr... Cantose for "Bawang", please?

    Thanks, once again!

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    Cantonese for Bawang is just Ba Wong.

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    Yes as I mentioned earlier it is "Ba Wong" two words and two characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcelo-RJ View Post
    Brothers:
    However, the opening is not the same as in this Buk Sing video either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-l-deL6TQw

    but is very close, dont you think?


    i've found some bits, but its very poorly executed.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK1e6tSCaAw

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    i would like to thank the hung sing for naming a form after me

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunwukon View Post
    but is very close, dont you think?


    i've found some bits, but its very poorly executed.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK1e6tSCaAw
    Has more of a buk sing look to it (although buk sing has a different feel and power compared to that performer) but probably a created form combining elements from both branches.

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