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  1. #76
    in traditional martial arts monkey boxing means concaving the chest and hunching the back. that is why there is no such thing as complete monkey boxing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bawang View Post
    in traditional martial arts monkey boxing means concaving the chest and hunching the back. that is why there is no such thing as complete monkey boxing.
    Seems logical, that is what i have been shown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xian View Post
    There is a lot which was never recorded to history books but it still exists.
    Yes, things still exist, but the propogation of a secret martial art for 1000 years is not one of them.

    Not even things which were not secret and were known by a large portion of the culture can easily be transmitted over a 500 or 1000 year period.
    Language is a great example of what is known by all and yet the corruption over the centuries makes it unintelligable to later generations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elu296 View Post
    then 18 forms from each of the original systems (18 crane forms, 18 Lohan, 18 Taizu and 18 monkey forms) then 18 advanced wuzuquan forms (mixing techniques again) and then Qigong and weapons forms. This builds up to well over 80 and even more when you consider how many wuzu forms are designed as 2-man sets. According to one Master in Fujian I read an interview with;
    Do you know name of the practitioner of the interview ?

    Quote Originally Posted by elu296 View Post
    After time I spent some time in Hong Kong trying my hand at northern monkey under Master Teddy Lai. He's a student of Master Alex Tse (world famous for Mantis) and they have a small monkey/ape style (incidentally, Master Lai used the terms interchangeably) that consists of one hand form and 4 weapons; starting with "Drunk Ape Steal Peach" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UO-FUbzRfY) It was a good system, but I had to quit early as I'm a not-terribly-flexible six-foot gwailo and I found the upright low squatting positions just too uncomfortable.
    What is the origin of Alex Tse's monkey/Ape ?

    Quote Originally Posted by elu296 View Post
    Southern monkey, with its rolls and kneeling techniques was much better for me and I'm now trying to get back into it. I'm exchanging emails with the teachers at a Sek Koh Sum lineage school in Singapore that I found via Master Eric Ling. Master Low has passed away and I'm talking with the inheritors of his school about becoming a student so will hopefully have more info in the future.
    From the discussion there it seems they are more forms than a system is that correct ?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Why is it that Monkey system's never made it as a full major system such as Northern Eagle Claw or Souther Hung Gar or Tebetian White Crane etc etc?

    Why is there only Monkey Techniques / Forms in the various systems? Why did these systems absorb Monkey into their curriculums? Was Monkey that awsome that everyone had to put some monkey technique or forms into their curriculums?

    There are very few "Pure Monkey" systems out there.... Why is that? These were my original questions at the beginning of this thread.

    The Angry Monkey system that I teach does not have a varifiable history. What about Alex Tse, maybe we can get some input from him on his Monkey system.

    ginosifu
    Last edited by ginosifu; 02-01-2012 at 08:28 AM.

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    I believe Alex Tse Sifu is also here on board. At least I believe I have seen his nick several times here on board.


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    Xian

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    Alexander Tse Sifu from Hong Kong also has some monkey sets. If I remember right they were called Lar Jar as style.

    Heaven Gate Staff
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO9twURYMtg

    Earth Gate Jian whip
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C25M0jaCy8M

    Gold Hard Ring full form
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zYGy...eature=related

    Drunk Ape Steal Peach-full version
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UO-FUbzRfY


    Kind regards,
    Xian[/QUOTE]

    Yes, that's the style. I got about 2/3 of the way through Drunk Ape.

  8. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    Do you know name of the practitioner of the interview ?



    What is the origin of Alex Tse's monkey/Ape ?



    From the discussion there it seems they are more forms than a system is that correct ?

    Thanks in advance.

    The interview is with Master Qiu from Xin An village (famous Wuzu centre with its own website) and is here at http://www.southerncranekungfu.com/kung-fu-reader/interview-with-master-qiu-five-ancestor-kungfu-english/
    There is also a version in Chinese on the web somewhere.

    Now that I've re-read it, I see I misremembered. The form structure I actually read about here http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&gbv=2&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2119l13137l0l132 77l47l46l7l28l32l0l265l1903l0.7.4l11l0&safe=active &q=cache:yicEdTEbL9oJ:http://www.martialartsplanet.com/for...+forms&ct=clnk
    from a Chee Kim Thong lineage student. It's the 8th post on this page.

    I'm afraid I don't know the origin of Master Tse's monkey/ape. We've exchanged emails, but never met in person. He was away while I was in Hong Kong and I was taught entirely by Master Teddy Lai. You can probably find out if you email him via his Youtube channel.

    As for the Singapore lineage, I don't yet know. Most of my info on it comes from Master Eric Ling's web pages. There is an interview with the school's founder here at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&gbv=2&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2119l13137l0l132 77l47l46l7l28l32l0l265l1903l0.7.4l11l0&safe=active &q=cache:yicEdTEbL9oJ:http://www.martialartsplanet.com/for...+forms&ct=clnk The pictures are very similar to the techniques I learnt and saw demonstrated in Taiwan.
    Master Ling talks about the principles behind the style in depth here at http://eric88ling.wordpress.com/2007/12/08/and-who-said-there-is-no-ground-fighting-in-ckf/ and at http://wulin.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=southern&action=display&thread=48 He mentions having learnt "a form or two" but not how many there are in total. I hope to find out when I get there, but no details yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ginosifu View Post
    Why is it that Monkey system's never made it as a full major system such as Northern Eagle Claw or Souther Hung Gar or Tebetian White Crane etc etc?

    Why is there only Monkey Techniques / Forms in the various systems? Why did these systems absorb Monkey into their curriculums? Was Monkey that awsome that everyone had to put some monkey technique or forms into their curriculums?

    There are very few "Pure Monkey" systems out there.... Why is that? These were my original questions at the beginning of this thread.

    The Angry Monkey system that I teach does not have a varifiable history. What about Alex Tse, maybe we can get some input from him on his Monkey system.

    ginosifu
    Only answer I can give is how Master Hisham phrased it. "Monkey is a special skill they don't want to teach to just anybody." You just have to keep searching for teachers.

  10. #85
    if you are actually acting like a monkey, its not real monkey boxing.

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    Here we go. Singapore-lineage southern monkey in action; courtesy of Master Eric Ling. I can see echoes here of what I learnt in Taiwan and what I've seen of Wuzu monkey.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fbn92jwwNU

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    Forms are nice and can relay a look or "feel" of the Monkey. There is more to Monkey style than just FORMS.

    Actual fighting flavor or emphasis is important too. Monkey tactics are suposed to be viscious, tricky, illusive etc etc. Why is it we only see forms on the net? Where all the Savage Monkey techniques at?

    ginosifu

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    [QUOTE=ginosifu
    Where all the Savage Monkey techniques at?

    ginosifu[/QUOTE]

    Try this. http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a

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    Additional to my last posts. I've been back in touch with Master Hisham and he has told me (after rightly pointing out that I should have just grown some backbone and asked him directly which style he does a long time ago) that his monkey style is the original Shaolin system; ancient enough that the forms are done standing with your full body weight on your toes. I never saw him do this in person, but have read about it before in descriptions of monkey boxing from Singapore and Malaysia in the 50s and 60s. It's apparently for the same reason ballet dancers do it; gives fantastic mobility. Master Hisham is (as far as I know) the only master in the world still doing it and it's extra impressive given that he's about 80kg+. He's got a video of one of his forms on his facebook page which is under his Chinese name 江玉山 (Chiang Yu Shan).

  15. #90
    monkey boxing means fighting with a concave chest. thats all it is lol.

    sry to ruin u guys epic decade search for true monkey simulation

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