Scrambled Xiao Hong Quan

[Sal Canzonieri]

What is the history of Xiao Hong Quan's development?

WROTE 200 PAGES ABOUT it in my forthcoming book, he heh.

[Xian]

Hey Sal, one question. You mentioned there are four Da Hong Quan sets. What about those from Liu Zhen Hai ? Today I was roaming around in the net and saw that he has 6 roads of Da Hong Quan as VCDs.


Kind regards,
Xian

[Xian]

WROTE 200 PAGES ABOUT it in my forthcoming book, he heh.

Where do we get them ?

[Sal Canzonieri]

Hey Sal, one question. You mentioned there are four Da Hong Quan sets. What about those from Liu Zhen Hai ? Today I was roaming around in the net and saw that he has 6 roads of Da Hong Quan as VCDs.


Kind regards,
Xian

There's even more than that.

After the first 3 standard roads, which is really the whole set in truth.
THEN, came the gift sets from the masters that visited from Shandong, they learned Shaolin Da Hong Quan and then developed a set to gift back to Shaolin.
Hence there is the remaining sets, some of which are taught by Liu Zhan Hai.
If you notice sets 4-6 are pretty different than the Zhao Kuang Yin derived sets 1-3.
This is because they added their own signature moves into the sets and local shandong martial arts.

It's because of all this stuff (above) that arose all the talk about Zhao Kuang Yin was the Taizu (Grand ancestor) of Shantung long fist. He wasn't and they had their own martial arts (Ba Shan Fan, Cha Quan, Hua Quan, Mizhong Quan, Mei Hua Zhuang, and more. By the way, just about all Shantung martial arts were later taken over by Chinese Muslims, they didn't originate the Shantung arts, but they preserved them, if they hadn't they would be all extinct by today!!!! You can thank the Chinese Muslims for preserving MOST of the ancient Chinese martial arts in China) that found their way into Shaolin during the days that rebels used Shaolin as a meeting place and refuge. So, after the 1700s everything got mixed together in a way, there was "cells" in Shaolin that each preserved their style (in case one style was defeated, then the others could prevail). Each gate into the temple and grounds practiced their own styles.

So, yes, indirectly Zhao's material used in Shaolin Da Hong Quan went into Shantung as Hong Quan spread there (many famous Hong Quan practitioners arose there). BUT, it was imported in and was not the origin point of their indigenous martial arts. Sure it influenced them in some way, but that's all.

[Sal Canzonieri]

Where do we get them ?

Not done with the book yet. Sorry.

[Xian]

Not done with the book yet. Sorry.

Ah I meant in general.

Thanks for the other posts. To be honest by now I have no chance to look to the sets of Zhao Kuan Yin because where I located its even hard to find someone who practices Northern Shaolin and even more one who does good stuff.
I practice a more Southern Shaolin based Martial arts as it has the best principle and concept work I can get by now.
Other "option" would be practicing WT:P

I have tried to study a little Xiao Hong Quan from video. For me it was interesting and good workout but I wouldnt dare to call it a Xiao Hong Quan as I have no teacher in it.But anyway it gives strong legs and deep stances so I love it.I tried to look as most as I can how Shi Guo Song does it, as in comparing with the Demo of Shi De Yang I felt something is missing. Later by following your conversations I learned there a lot of things missing.


Kind regards,
Xian