Mitt Work with TCMA techniques

[Iron_Eagle_76]

This discussion involves doing more obscure, non-boxing hand strikes on the mitts. As Kung Fu practioners, do you do them? For example, open hand strikes such as ridgehand, knifehand, spearhand, or fists not fully closed such as Dragon's Head, Leopard Paw, Phoneix Eye, and even Mantis wrist strikes.

The point of this topic is do you train these techniques with a mitt holder as boxers do with jab, cross, hook, uppercut and if so, do you wrap hands, use some type of glove?? I am curious as to how people train these TCMA strikes.

[sanjuro_ronin]

This discussion involves doing more obscure, non-boxing hand strikes on the mitts. As Kung Fu practioners, do you do them? For example, open hand strikes such as ridgehand, knifehand, spearhand, or fists not fully closed such as Dragon's Head, Leopard Paw, Phoneix Eye, and even Mantis wrist strikes.

The point of this topic is do you train these techniques with a mitt holder as boxers do with jab, cross, hook, uppercut and if so, do you wrap hands, use some type of glove?? I am curious as to how people train these TCMA strikes.

Always, I even had a couple of rounds on the mitt and bag devoted to them.

[hskwarrior]

I have a wooden dummy where the striking pads are as hard as rocks. We condition our hands on the dummy. Then we do alot of pad work using nothing but our Choy Lee Fut strikes. On the mits or thai pads we work all of our closed and open handed strikes. We also use chest protectors while drilling so the student can actually strike the body using some force.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I need to get good striking pads for my WD, any suggestions?

[hskwarrior]

If you know someone who sews alot they can make you some. the pads on mine are 4.5 x 4.5 maybe 5 inches all around and made of heavy canvas. don't know if it was sand inside but whatever it is is STUPID HARD NOW..... other than that, IDK where to get dummy pads.

My sifu takes foam rubber and wraps it around the top middle. he wrapped the foam with a rice sack. works great and you can strike it HARD.

http://www.wle.com/products/TD79.html

http://www.immortalmartialarts.com/paddummybody.aspx

[TenTigers]

we have always used hand pads for our Hung-Ga strikes. Gwa, Cup, Been, So, Sow,
yes, and even the Charp-Choy are drilled on focus pads.
For beginners, I use the oval striking shields, and advanced students, who buy bag gloves can use the larger focus mitts and Thai pads. For the oval shields, there are no gloves or wraps, but for the harder pads, you may need to use them to prevent cuts.

[TenTigers]

I need to get good striking pads for my WD, any suggestions?

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[hskwarrior]

A sample of my beginners Pad Work training:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwarrMmkrNo

[Frost]

i hit with jab crosses, over hands hooks and uppercuts, all found in CLF is the ok

My sifu works both long (CLF)and short (lung ying) on the pads, also open and closed fight from both on guard and other defensive postures (anyone else notice how the fence posture looks alot like the hakka arts stances)

[hskwarrior]

My sifu works both long (CLF)and short (lung ying) on the pads, also open and closed fight from both on guard and other defensive postures (anyone else notice how the fence posture looks alot like the hakka arts stances)

Everything done with CLF's long range can be done with short range as well. its just a little tighter, i feel alot more powerful. helps you break and enter alot faster

[sanjuro_ronin]

Any pad work done with a closed fist can be and should be done with a "specialty fist", you just have to forge it that's all,
You will naturaly find how a certain hand formation fits better into your fighting style.
I have noticed that I tend to perfer using the PE fist in hooks and uppercuts, rather than straights.
Same goes for the leopard fist.
I drive my ridgehands like I do my overhand rights and hooks(to the body).
I use the spearhand for "pressing" rather than striking.

[hskwarrior]

Any pad work done with a closed fist can be and should be done with a "specialty fist", you just have to forge it that's all,
You will naturaly find how a certain hand formation fits better into your fighting style.
I have noticed that I tend to perfer using the PE fist in hooks and uppercuts, rather than straights.
Same goes for the leopard fist.
I drive my ridgehands like I do my overhand rights and hooks(to the body).
I use the spearhand for "pressing" rather than striking.

i've realized that all hands are interchangeable a while back. I like the Panther fist and PE. One of our basic forms has an inverted strike to the chin where i use the PE.

I like spear hand or as we call it Snake.....i like to use it on the throat. I once struck a co-worker in the side of his face with the spear hand when he tried to playfully blind side me. i thought i punctured his cheek....but no.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

Ridgehand strike or "eagle wing" in our system can be a very powerful strike that comes from a parry, deep lunge stance, and directed toward the body. Spearhand or serpent strikes I find more applicable in pressing like Ronin said. I also find most tiger claws and tearing techniques to be more feasible in the clinch, with a good over hook or plum to control the person.

I would like to bring up a point that many techniques that seem unfeasible from a striking standpoint make much more sense in the clinch or grappling. Yet another reason why Shuai Jiao practice should be a part of all Kung Fu schools. Just my opinion of course.

[dirtyrat]

I would like to bring up a point that many techniques that seem unfeasible from a striking standpoint make much more sense in the clinch or grappling. Yet another reason why Shuai Jiao practice should be a part of all Kung Fu schools. Just my opinion of course.

one must also take into account that tcma techniques and tactics are different than boxing.

for example, when punching, a lot of times you don't retract that fist back to deliver another strike. you may use it to grab, strike again, intercept a counter or use ripping techniques.

sometimes what looks like a punch, is acutually a forearm striking technique. or it may be a joint locking/wrenching technique.

[Ray Pina]

Good topic. One of my greatest frustrations is being forced to "react" to pad work with ducking, bobbing and weaving, when I just want to jam and hit.... anyone have some TCMA pad routines they can share?

Right now I'm just using boxng gloves vs boxing gloves for drills but will invest in pads for my student. Hanging the heavy bag this weekend for him.