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    I've seen a lot of youtube vids of kung fu schools working pads and mitts.
    While I applaud the attempt, the problem I see with most of the vids is the approach.
    Seems a lot of folks do forms where the mitts just happen to be there.
    The purpose of the mitts is to be dynamic.
    Kinda like sparring, where you don't have to worry about damage but can throw everything you've got at a target. At the same time, it's an opportunity for a coach to offer subtle adjustment to technique and really get hands on.

    There's a pretty easy method for putting together a good pad routine...
    Step 1 - Pick your techniques
    General recommendation would be at least 1 punch each arm, 1 kick each leg, and 3 or 4 combos.
    Step 2 - Pick your defense
    Probably want to come up with defense and maybe counters for at least hooks & straight punches (right & left), as well as hook/round & straight kicks (right & left). EDIT for Ray: defense does not necessarily require head movement.
    Step 3 - Start with the basics
    Start with the single techniques first.
    If your combos have more than 3 techniques, break them down into 2-technique chunks so you can work on your transitions. (ie jab-cross-hook becomes jab-cross and cross-hook).
    Also do simple defenses.
    At this point, you're doing each technique for repetitions.
    Step 4 - Build up
    Now put your combos together fully
    Add your counters onto your simple defenses
    Still working techniques for repetitions.
    Step 5 - Integrate and freestyle
    Here you mix in your offense & defense.
    Stuff should come out more at sporadically, to the pad holder's discretion.
    The person hitting should have no idea what's coming next.
    Pad holder needs to call out shots at first.
    Eventually, the highest level of this is like a sparring match where the pad holder just catches what the hitter throws, calling out nothing.
    What would happen if a year-old baby fell from a fourth-floor window onto the head of a burly truck driver, standing on the sidewalk?
    It's practically certain that the truckman would be knocked unconscious. He might die of brain concussion or a broken neck.
    Even an innocent little baby can become a dangerous missile WHEN ITS BODY-WEIGHT IS SET INTO FAST MOTION.
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    I would suggest eventually getting a good "belly pad" or solid chest guard to eventually add a more "realistic" element to pad work.
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    I would suggest eventually getting a good "belly pad" or solid chest guard to eventually add a more "realistic" element to pad work.
    I got the chest pads, but i want to belly pad too....
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    I would suggest eventually getting a good "belly pad" or solid chest guard to eventually add a more "realistic" element to pad work.
    Can't go wrong with:
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    What would happen if a year-old baby fell from a fourth-floor window onto the head of a burly truck driver, standing on the sidewalk?
    It's practically certain that the truckman would be knocked unconscious. He might die of brain concussion or a broken neck.
    Even an innocent little baby can become a dangerous missile WHEN ITS BODY-WEIGHT IS SET INTO FAST MOTION.
    -Jack Dempsey ch1 pg1 Championship Fighting

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    Good stuff, it gives a whole new element to pad work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    Good stuff, it gives a whole new element to pad work.
    We used to also wear it when doing 2-person defense techniques.
    If you're throwing pushkick or roundkick to the body, it lets you throw the kick at real speed so that the defender can get a realistic idea of what the technique will look like coming in.
    It's also invaluable in clinch work for letting you throw realistic knees without fear of (too much) injury.
    What would happen if a year-old baby fell from a fourth-floor window onto the head of a burly truck driver, standing on the sidewalk?
    It's practically certain that the truckman would be knocked unconscious. He might die of brain concussion or a broken neck.
    Even an innocent little baby can become a dangerous missile WHEN ITS BODY-WEIGHT IS SET INTO FAST MOTION.
    -Jack Dempsey ch1 pg1 Championship Fighting

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    I think any hand pads, thai pads are good to start out with and try to practice from both sides right?

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    I think any hand pads, thai pads are good to start out with and try to practice from both sides right?
    thats a must in my club. I believe in balancing out both sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pork Chop View Post
    We used to also wear it when doing 2-person defense techniques.
    If you're throwing pushkick or roundkick to the body, it lets you throw the kick at real speed so that the defender can get a realistic idea of what the technique will look like coming in.
    It's also invaluable in clinch work for letting you throw realistic knees without fear of (too much) injury.
    being rather large, i hate wearing them when clinching, my upper body gets in the way as it is

    i agrre there are good for allowing real time switching between hands and feet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark13 View Post
    I think any hand pads, thai pads are good to start out with and try to practice from both sides right?
    Not exactly sure what you're asking.
    If you're asking if all pads are created equally, I'll disagree and say that some pads are just built better for more realistic striking surfaces.

    If you're asking whether or not to train both sides, my beliefs are this:
    Defense is going to change whether you are fighting someone same side forward or opposite side forward, at the very least the angles will change.
    Since i do muay thai, sanshou, and boxing; most people I work with will train left side forward. If I get someone wants/needs to fight right side forward, I still have them learn left side forward first so they can understand how their techniques exploit the angles. I do; however, believe in spending the majority of your time working a single side forward.

    I think being able to operate on both sides is good, but repetition is the key to being good and it's hard to do double the amount of work. Plus, it's a common tactic when facing guys who switch a lot is to attack in the middle of their switch - they tend to be vulnerable.
    What would happen if a year-old baby fell from a fourth-floor window onto the head of a burly truck driver, standing on the sidewalk?
    It's practically certain that the truckman would be knocked unconscious. He might die of brain concussion or a broken neck.
    Even an innocent little baby can become a dangerous missile WHEN ITS BODY-WEIGHT IS SET INTO FAST MOTION.
    -Jack Dempsey ch1 pg1 Championship Fighting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron_Eagle_76 View Post
    This discussion involves doing more obscure, non-boxing hand strikes on the mitts. As Kung Fu practioners, do you do them? For example, open hand strikes such as ridgehand, knifehand, spearhand, or fists not fully closed such as Dragon's Head, Leopard Paw, Phoneix Eye, and even Mantis wrist strikes.

    The point of this topic is do you train these techniques with a mitt holder as boxers do with jab, cross, hook, uppercut and if so, do you wrap hands, use some type of glove?? I am curious as to how people train these TCMA strikes.
    On pads and on the heavy bag, though not spear hands.

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    Last edited by Taixuquan99; 09-22-2011 at 03:36 PM.

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