Found the fighting Kung FU video for you

[Lebaufist]

If more gung fu people would have just experimented with what worked while wearing gloves we'd have more fighters out there. but their fear of gloves threw off a bunch of traditionalists.

We worked mostly with the so called Bruce Lee gloves. 10 oz. I found NO hindrance to my over all technique. I could grab or diu sao.

[hskwarrior]

Yes, I'll go one further and say the modifications are really just the on the fly adjustments one MUST make in a chaotic and abstract situation. Such as the unpredictable angles, forces, and reactions of your opponent that tend to smear the picture perfect ideal of a form. In which case even the Pure Kickboxer®™© isn't immune. Otherwise all his fighting would look like the picture perfect form of his shadowboxing and padwork.

Right! This why i teach my students in the beginning to forget the combo's until each single strike improves. That way each strike, redirection, trap, etc etc will be there for you "ON THE FLY" its up to you and your training to know how to instantly string your individual techniques into something effective (freestyle), not picture perfect.

let me put it like this, when I do forms, i'm going to have a bunch open doors according to some people because of my long range techniques. But its just a form so i don't really worry about it. but, when it comes to fighting and training to fight i know that i can't be so long range unless im trying to keep the guy at a distance. but I must know how to apply the same techniques while im up in the mid range and also now to modify it "ON THE FLY" as you stated in the short range as well.

We worked mostly with the so called Bruce Lee gloves. 10 oz. I found NO hindrance to my over all technique. I could grab or diu sao.

those are what we preferred as well.

[Lucas]

Heck, I dare say that MMA striking is beginning to look like kung fu with all the striking thats showing up from a lower and wider foot position.

people are starting to throw in what is modernly refered to as 'unorthodox' striking, case in point, last night in ufc fight (forget who) one guy threw a 360 spinning outside crescent kick. very very uncommon to see that in mma. whats even funnier is that joe rogan had to explain to mike goldberg what it was, and actually said that it is an 'old school' technique...

[Iron_Eagle_76]

A nice evolution of kickboxing, starting with the PKA days back in the 70's to early 80's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kboHrhQ6S08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTDYP1qPJ1M

To the inclusion of Muay Thai and evolution of kickboxing with it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLejmqkQQ7U

Until the K1 days, and one of favorite (although personally biased) fights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev-A0X3z8-w

[pateticorecords]

Fang Mountain Kung Fu MMA Fight Camp 2011 Fighter Profile 1: Stephen Ross
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbK611rs04I

Kung Fu's Value in MMA, Joe Rogan, Obasi and TUF, more on Traditional Arts: MMA Confidential TALK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb23neZBShY

Corey Korupas From Superkicks Kung Fu, Double Tap Fight Crew MMA vs Josh Pemble http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vEsv7iZVG0

Tim Potter From Superkicks Kung Fu, Double Tap Fight Crew MMA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or_4qemKXPM

China Top Team MMA and Zhang TieQuan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lklv7R7HLuQ

Chinese fighter on UFC - Tie Quan Zhang (Mongolian Wolf)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9P5zbWT72M

"Chinese Dragon" vs "Mongolian Wolf" (UMAC 75Kg Final)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1IQcPdeZDk



Guy use Kung fu to K.O. a Bear (LOL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yFLBGXOcQE

[Lebaufist]

My Favorite K-1 fighter is Michael Macdonald. Regardless that he is not a KF representative, he has all the same ingredients. Tight guard that is useful in attack and defense. Solid footwork and maneuvering. CLEAN delivery of strikes. ( as clean as you can get with a heavy human to bounce off of who is hitting you back.) Great use of angles and height ranges. ETC ETC

[R]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-25s4uwFQ

Sorta weird.. so many stops and starts.. almost like a cross between point fighting and kick boxing..

R

[sanjuro_ronin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-25s4uwFQ

When I bounced up in Hamilton we had a lot of the OHL guys come in to the night club (Monopoly) and they liked to cause trouble at times and I recall one guy that tried that "grab and punch" thing, trying to get the shirt over my head and all that.
It was a beautiful Ippon Seio nage, truly worthy of praise by the Judo Gods !

[Indrafist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrdy2KyqPYo


Here's another video I found while searching, I think this was in Liverpool. Shame that we can't have this type of tournament fighting in the States instead of crappy point fighting. Also, got to love the stupid comments saying, "Where is the Hung Gar, I just see kickboxing". Sound familiar.

That was at Leasowe on The Wirral near Liverpool, one of the two refs is George Ho who had a Hung Gar school on Wirral at the time.

[Lucas]

When I bounced up in Hamilton we had a lot of the OHL guys come in to the night club (Monopoly) and they liked to cause trouble at times and I recall one guy that tried that "grab and punch" thing, trying to get the shirt over my head and all that.
It was a beautiful Ippon Seio nage, truly worthy of praise by the Judo Gods !

lol i can picture it now, i bet he was mightily surprised!

[Mike Patterson]

This continues to be a giant fallacy. A form is an idealized expression of a technique/movement. Thats all. You would no more "do a form when fighting" than you would order a sandwich in prose or haiku.

If you want to see "the kung fu" look at the footwork, the choice of entry, positioning, strategy. Did he actually block something without using his face? Not just whether or not it looks like a movie. People who are expecting to see choice stances held for pictures after a strike are completely deluded.

Its because they don't fight. The ones that don't fight don't realize that the way we use techniques in actual fighting is far different than what we do in forms. many people are too robotic and rely on the system working for them without them actually making it work. if you train enough you can make most things work. it just has to be modified a little. but my sifu always told us to keep it simple.



in my book it is.

Pretty much.
Whenever I see someone fighting full contact I expect to see this:
Speed, focus, good footwork, angles, combinations ( in various forms of course).
That is good kung fu.

When people see videos and see "that's just kickboxing", I can usually tell that they have no notion WHY full contact fighting tends to look a certain way REGARDLESS of what style is trained.
It doesn't change the fact that:
The sport combat crowd will say don't see much of a difference between that and KB"
The "authentic kung fu" crowd will say," That's just kickboxing and not authentic TCMA"
They are BOTH right, the difference is that the authentic kung fu crowd seem to regard "kickboxing" as an insult instead of the compliment that it truly is.

"kick boxing" is what a fighter does when he kicks and strikes at his most natural, when he is under pressure.
How well he does it depends on how good he is of course.

Ohhhh, I like you guys more an more.

These are the same types of statements I always make but are not real popular with some folks.

As an aside on the glove issue. That is indeed a consideration for many traditionalists and always has been. It was a consideration for me in choosing the modern kuoshu over the sanshou federation back when I re-involved myself in the 90's. The rules and gloves (4 oz. fingerless nowadays, cotton garden gloves in my day) were more favorable to our methodology.

[Ray Pina]

Mr. Patterson,

I just found some footage from the "World event" that your championship team brought home "Gold medals" from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5wzaDgYQZA

Sorry that we had a heavy winded conversation. If I would have seen this first.....

[Xiao3 Meng4]

Even though there're no headshots, I've always enjoyed this clip from CangZhou.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ir0MWNtMv4

[Lebaufist]

Ray, in all honesty, You fight and thats good, but I don't see anything particularly special about you or your opponents. After all, you're only really as good as the people you fight. So the question is, why the high and mighty act? What makes you so superior?

[Northwind]

From what I've read in this thread, I'm extremely curious to know if anyone out there has the same thoughts as I on this...

I see sparring and cage and challenge matches, etc. as something completely unto its own world - very different from barroom brawling or battlefields or from real-life defense; after all, no one comes up to you at the ATM and strikes a fighting stance, perhaps bouncing, perhaps getting grounded etc., and saying "Gimme your money".

This is NOT a "our stuff is too deadly for the ring" statement - so the tards who'd take that strawman stfu.