Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
I still can't find a way around desire causing suffering...
So, I don't see pain as the motivator of change.
Especially not in humans. not great change anyway. Just small malformed changes like orange peeling on a nice paint job. That buffs out with a little effort.
Oh sure, you can gain temporary control over someone by making them suffer, you may even kill them, but the bottom line is that a person or entity or faction cannot consistently maintain repression.
Kung Fu is good for you.
Hi SoCo Kung Fu,
Your use of the word psychobabble suggests that you do not have these kinds of experiences. I am not looking to create a believer, so I respect your stance. You are cool with me.
mickey