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[anerlich]

And I guess you have no interest in these terms because you may have not experienced that side to the chinese culture?

I have experienced that side of "Chinese culture", though IMO it's not restricted to the Chinese or anything else.

I have an interest in it, and I guess the "terms" (WTF?) ... an interest in seeing it wither and die because in my experience it is unhealthy and stunts growth.

You can keep your other naive "insights" into my character and motivations. I have been teaching MA and developing students for a lot longer than you. IMO the model of "team building" you follow is toxic and counterproductive to growth and I ain't going near it. I have too much respect for students intelligence to lay that load of barf on them.

Kung Fu Family ... I always get reminded of "Manson family".

[GlennR]

How about mailing him on his Youtube page and asking him yourself?

Thanks for your insightful response there.

Bit of a strange one

What is original Wing Chun to you?

Try answering my question before responding with one of your own.

So on admitting this is what you think, then WSL didn't have anything close to the blueprint either, let alone PB, so if most of the lame attacks are coming from this WSLPB camp how can you explain that?

Where the hell did the PB guys come into this??? I never even mentioned them.
You said IM had the "blueprint", i said theres plenty of people that would disagree... mainland styles come to mind
FWIW no one has the "blueprint", thats a ridicolous analagy, and shows how far removed from realistic combat you are.

Well, I agree with you on this one! Life is much better than any of the kung fu films I have seen. But this bunch of guys thing?? I wouldn't know mate. I learnt with guys and girls

Yep, bunch of guys, males, non-females... comprehend?
If that seems odd name me one of IM's top female students??

[Sihing73]

Hello,

I believe that Randy Williams also does multiple person Chi Sau. I believe he does it with three people doing it. While it does not look like the clip, it does kind of support the idea of variations across lineage lines for different methods of training Chi Sau.

Just a thought.

[k gledhill]

Hello,

I believe that Randy Williams also does multiple person Chi Sau. I believe he does it with three people doing it. While it does not look like the clip, it does kind of support the idea of variations across lineage lines for different methods of training Chi Sau.

Just a thought.

I met Randy " cant fight my way out of a paperbag " Williams, in London a few years back, nice guy, but just because he does it dont make it right

I would venture that the reason for variations is simply guys copying by mimicking others, copying actions without any coaching or HANDS ON teaching directly from esoteric circles , seeing a tan and a bong etc...then rolling. Or trying to replicate it as 'pushing hands' from Tai Chi perhaps...
I can say that nobody would accidentally just be doing it correctly ...the urge to feel and follow arms is such a natural thing we all do , we dont need coaching to feel another arm, we need coaching to NOT feel it and follow it . Lat sao chet chun and da sao jik siu sao are not something you just do ....or reinvent with weird feeling drills

[bennyvt]

We used to do this thing more of a laugh but it did teach controlinh one person while being able to hit others. We called it wall sao, six people chisao next to each other three of them with backs against the wall. You could only hit the people next to you if you positioned your gut so he couldn't hit you. Normally finished with us just punching each other. Not a normal part of training but was fun to do

[k gledhill]

We used to do this thing more of a laugh but it did teach controlinh one person while being able to hit others. We called it wall sao, six people chisao next to each other three of them with backs against the wall. You could only hit the people next to you if you positioned your gut so he couldn't hit you. Normally finished with us just punching each other. Not a normal part of training but was fun to do

I like that it ended by hitting and not hypnotic arm waving.

[LoneTiger108]

Using a quote from your post G because I just can't be bothered to attempt conversation with you these days, I like your attitude after all that twaddle you wrote!

Who knows and who f'ing cares?

Speaks volumes.

[Graham H]

Using a quote from your post G because I just can't be bothered to attempt conversation with you these days, I like your attitude after all that twaddle you wrote!



Speaks volumes.

The fact that you interpreted that as twaddle is a good sign. It means that I'm not in your fantasy fu land.



G

[Hendrik]

the sticky hand following hands thing is really going too far, star trek meets disco. When is martial and art just art and no martial ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h5_U...eature=related

who would like to analyze the clip in a technical way?

[Wu Wei Wu]

Hendrik,

'Technically' by which standard; religious, spiritual, internal?

Technically it don't look like any line of Wing Chun that I am familiar with.

Technically, it doesn't fit into the paradigm of WC deriving from Ip Man.

Technically, it doesn't appear to me to develop the type of touch based neural associative conditioning that the sticking i am familiar with attempts to do.

Technically, I see a lot of giving space and poor body positions and postures.

It is to fighting what rolling down a hill is to running. And in my opinion it is a regression rather than a progression.

But each to their own.

Suki

[GlennR]

who would like to analyze the clip in a technical way?

Sure....... its technically nonsense

[k gledhill]

who would like to analyze the clip in a technical way?

No hip elbow force direction, or unity. The arms wave around in the air in some moments without attacking forwards, without any contact no lat sao chet chung, no da sao jik siu sao , no faat lik siu lik, ....there is more missing but its easier to ask , what is it ? its not vt.

Doing this in a group is ludicrous, it might have a 'brawl' aspect to it, but we are the ones meant to be cutting through all that with direct lines of force...

[YouKnowWho]

who would like to analyze the clip in a technical way?

When you train, you want to have a "goal". When opportunity arrive, you take it, move in, and finish it. In this clip I don't see that "intention" at all.

[Wayfaring]

That it is a drill and the purpose is simply to get the entire body moving using fairly exaggerated movements to get the knees, hips, etc moving. Its about waking up those joints in an extreme fashion using sticking hands as the basis of the drill.

Hmmm. To me it looks more like waking up something entirely different, if you catch my drift.

In other words, if he was doing that shizzle with another dude it would look a little creepy to say the least.

[Wayfaring]

IMO WSL was a man who was clever, hard working and got his hands dirty proving Ving Tsun. He proved it to himself obviously, but also for a certain period in time Yip Man himself. You must have heard the stories of the discussions that went on between WSL and Yip Man during these "Beimo" days. There were probably many factors that contributed to the passing of knowledge between Yip Man and WSL. If these qualities are not present then the information will be flawed. I personally wasnt there but its common sense because it happens everyday in school between teacher and student. We are not all grade A, physically gifted students so the same must apply to Ving Tsun.

Yeah. Uh. Regarding those discussions during the "Beimo" days, I'm sure they were much different than the discussion that go on nowadays - you know, in the "Mouthmo" days.