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    CFT,

    Thank you! Your translations are much more polished. I appreciate the corrections!
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    Recovering Forms Junkie! Even my twelve step program has four roads!

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    You're most welcome.

    I could have been a mantid (7*). My old club taught that & Wing Chun at the same session/training space. Given my previous training I opted for the WC. We used to regularly spar the mantids end of class. Very different and a good experience for us all. They had fast footwork, in-and-out. Lots of level changes.

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    Final Fist Songs

    Here is the last section of the quanpu:

    Fourth Road

    下 步 翻 车
    xi b fān chē
    Lower Step, Wheeling

    进 步 辘 辘 捶
    jn b l l chu
    Advancing Step, Windlass Strike

    左 右 引 针
    zuǒ yu yǐn zhēn
    Left & Right Pull Needle

    左 擒 右 蹬 踊
    zuǒ qn yu dng yǒng
    Left Capture, Right Tread Step

    雙 分 雙 闭
    shuāng fēn shuāng b
    Double Seals, Double Close

    雙 封 剁 子 脚
    shuāng fēng du zǐ jiǎo
    Double Seal, Small Chop Kick

    侧 身 鴛 鴦 腳
    c shēn yuān yang jiǎo
    Incline Body, Mandarin Duck Kick

    螳 螂 雙 封 手
    tng lng shuāng fēng shǒu
    Praying Mantis Double Seal Hands
    Richard A. Tolson
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    45 years of training and still not there. But every once in a while I get it right!

    Recovering Forms Junkie! Even my twelve step program has four roads!

    Yes, I fight in silk pajamas. And I have probably broken more opponent's ribs in my silk pajamas than many others rolling around in their knickers and mittens!

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    Hair Restraining Techniques in Meihua Lu

    Here are the three hair restraining techniques taught in Meihua Lu:

    Movement Five

    霸 王 去 摘 盔
    b wng q zhāi kuī
    Overlord Takes Helmet

    Capture the opponent's lead right hand with your lead right hook hand grab. Now swing your left hand up and in from the outer gate and grab the back of the opponent's head by the hair. Immdeiately twist the opponent's head so that his face is directed upward and lift your left knee to attack his lower ribs.

    Movement Six

    擒 髮 挫 嘴 巴
    qn f cu zui bā
    Capture Hair & Break Mouth

    This is a continuation of the above technique. After striking the lower ribs with the left knee, maintain the hair grab while dropping into a left kneeling stance. As the opponent is falling strike the opponent's jaw with the right palm heel.

    Movement Twenty-nine

    粘 手 入 手 擒 身 旁
    nin shou r shou qn shēn png
    Sticky Hand, Entering Hand & Capture Body to the Side

    This move is set up with the technique "White Crane Reveals Wings to Strike Both Sides". After a right waist chop from a left Hill Climbing step, slide the right foot up behind the left foot and execute a left seal and a right yang palm strike to the left side of the opponent's face.
    Then step the right foot forward while executing a right hook hand, left seal and a right hair grab. Pull the opponent downward by the hair so that the opponent's head impacts the ground to the right of the forward right foot.
    Last edited by mooyingmantis; 03-02-2012 at 08:28 PM.
    Richard A. Tolson
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    45 years of training and still not there. But every once in a while I get it right!

    Recovering Forms Junkie! Even my twelve step program has four roads!

    Yes, I fight in silk pajamas. And I have probably broken more opponent's ribs in my silk pajamas than many others rolling around in their knickers and mittens!

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    Meihua Lu of Taiji Tanglangquan

    Will (Xiaoyao) posted this video of a student of Master Zhou Zhendong performing the Taiji Tanglangquan version of Meihua Lu:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wykTcY8tigg
    Richard A. Tolson
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    45 years of training and still not there. But every once in a while I get it right!

    Recovering Forms Junkie! Even my twelve step program has four roads!

    Yes, I fight in silk pajamas. And I have probably broken more opponent's ribs in my silk pajamas than many others rolling around in their knickers and mittens!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainan Mantis View Post
    I thought you had ZHang Bingdou's book. I don't know where it is available, maybe on some book site. I noticed it has once again been reissued last time I was in CHina. I didn't buy it though.
    I think this is your book.
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    Alex,

    Yes, that is the book. After Kevin mentioned it I was able to find the two volume set on-line and purchased them.
    Richard A. Tolson
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    45 years of training and still not there. But every once in a while I get it right!

    Recovering Forms Junkie! Even my twelve step program has four roads!

    Yes, I fight in silk pajamas. And I have probably broken more opponent's ribs in my silk pajamas than many others rolling around in their knickers and mittens!

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    Here are my simple questions:

    - Why does a beginner need to learn this form?
    - What does this form offer that other forms don't?
    - Will this form make me to grow "tall", or it will make me to grow "fat"?
    - ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Here are my simple questions:

    - Why does a beginner need to learn this form?
    - What does this form offer that other forms don't?
    - Will this form make me to grow "tall", or it will make me to grow "fat"?
    - ...
    Good questions!

    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Why does a beginner need to learn this form?
    This is a form that I believe could be taught at any level. However, if you wanted to introduce a beginner to some of the most vicious moves of tanglangquan, this form is a good choice. It has punching, eye-gouging, hair pulling, kicking, kneeing, joint-locking and throwing. It has principles like: 虛 實 - xū sh, 剛 柔 - gāng ru (hard-soft) and 陰 陽 - yīn yng (passive-active).

    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    What does this form offer that other forms don't?
    It is not a matter of what it has that other forms do not have. Meihua Lu draws concepts and techniques from important forms like : Xiao Beng Bu, the Fanche series, Duo Gang and the Zhai Yao series. Though it is a small form (38 moves give or take depending on the family of Mantis) it has a lot of depth.

    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Will this form make me to grow "tall", or it will make me to grow "fat"?
    Not really sure what this means. But if you mean, "Is it just another form to pile onto the heap?" No!

    If I could only preserve one short form that I felt had the principles to teach my students to fight, it would be this form.
    Last edited by mooyingmantis; 04-29-2012 at 08:36 PM.
    Richard A. Tolson
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    45 years of training and still not there. But every once in a while I get it right!

    Recovering Forms Junkie! Even my twelve step program has four roads!

    Yes, I fight in silk pajamas. And I have probably broken more opponent's ribs in my silk pajamas than many others rolling around in their knickers and mittens!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mooyingmantis View Post
    Not really sure what this means. But if you mean, "Is it just another form to pile onto the heap?" No!

    If I could only preserve one short form that I felt had the principles to teach my students to fight, it would be this form.
    All mantis forms are good for combat. That was not what I mean. For example, the

    - Beng Bu form is good for "speed" (beginner level).
    - Ran Jia form is good for "body pull/push limbs" (intermediate level).
    - Zhai Yao form is good for "summary" (advance level).

    Not sure which level this form should be placed. Also not sure this form is a "must learn" form.

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    I think this forms works in a similar way to zhai yao; as a kind of condensation

    is ran jia a misspelling of luan jie? otherwise ive never heard of it?

    the most important forms are bengbu, luan jie & ba zhou

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    Quote Originally Posted by xiao yao View Post
    I think this forms works in a similar way to zhai yao; as a kind of condensation

    is ran jia a misspelling of luan jie? otherwise ive never heard of it?

    the most important forms are bengbu, luan jie & ba zhou
    "乱接(luan jie)" is the correct name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xiao yao View Post
    I think this forms works in a similar way to zhai yao; as a kind of condensation
    Agree!

    If I were to try and condense the theme of meihua lu as YouKnowWho does with beng bu, luanjie and zhai yao, I would say the theme is "viciousness in fighting". Though I would love to have been able to hear Jiang Hualong and Song Zide's commentary on why the form was developed as it was.

    Quote Originally Posted by xiao yao View Post
    the most important forms are bengbu, luan jie & ba zhou
    I think it depends on the family of mantis. Each of those forms vary greatly from family to family. Da Beng Bu or Xiao Beng Bu? Luanjie of Taiji Tanglangquan has little in common with Hong Kong Seven Star Lanjie.

    I think Zhao Yao Yi Lu is a more common denominator among the typical mantis families. Though that form varies a bit too. Especially in Babu Tanglangquan.
    Richard A. Tolson
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/357219314344817/

    45 years of training and still not there. But every once in a while I get it right!

    Recovering Forms Junkie! Even my twelve step program has four roads!

    Yes, I fight in silk pajamas. And I have probably broken more opponent's ribs in my silk pajamas than many others rolling around in their knickers and mittens!

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