wing chun stance and it's grappling weakness

[GlennR]

That sounds like a lot of bull to me

Yep, udder nonsense

[Yoshiyahu]

That sounds like a lot of bull to me

I most undoubtely agree with you!

[Vajramusti]

Two Bulls of equal size, Mass and weight!

One bull charges bull Two...


Bull Two stands their in low crotch preparing for impact.


Bull One is running at 35 to 45 mph twoards bull two which is just standing there waiting for the Hit!


When two bulls collide i promise you the bull standing there waiting for impact is going down!


There is No immovable stance!

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FWIW watch a much lighter Chen stylist and a super heavy sumoist-Akebono-there are bulls and there are bulls..skill matters::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNlu_wA-VWA

[anerlich]

And if you're in Melbourne you might find Australian Football League (AFL) players , who according to a friend of mine are much better than rugby players

Careful ... you are straying into dangerous turf wars here

[Yoshiyahu]

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FWIW watch a much lighter Chen stylist and a super heavy sumoist-Akebono-there are bulls and there are bulls..skill matters::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNlu_wA-VWA

i got a friend who is 6'8" and weighs over 350lbs...i weigh less than two hundred an i am 5'8"...I did the same thing to him with both toi shou (push hands) He doesn't know how to reidrect incomming force as well as I do. Thats why it was easy to pull him off balance, push him off balance and redirect his energy away...So go figure..Him and his wife would sometimes go to tai chi class on sundays. It was easier to move him than it was his wife who weighs less than me an is shorter.

Not a good video...Now imagine the big guy running full speed at the little guy...an the little guy running full speed at him...who do you think will win!

[Vajramusti]

i got a friend who is 6'8" and weighs over 350lbs...i weigh less than two hundred an i am 5'8"...I did the same thing to him with both toi shou (push hands) He doesn't know how to reidrect incomming force as well as I do. Thats why it was easy to pull him off balance, push him off balance and redirect his energy away...So go figure..Him and his wife would sometimes go to tai chi class on sundays. It was easier to move him than it was his wife who weighs less than me an is shorter.

Not a good video...Now imagine the big guy running full speed at the little guy...an the little guy running full speed at him...who do you think will win!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------Depends on who knows rge realtionship of the centers of gravity better and can use that knowledge.

[Yoshiyahu]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------Depends on who knows rge realtionship of the centers of gravity better and can use that knowledge.

That exactly what I meant...well put!

[Lee Chiang Po]

why not worry about a double leg take down in the street, just about ever junior high school and high school and college in america have a wrestling team. so that is a pretty good chance you can run into a wrestler in the street.

Anythings possible, but the odds against it are probably pretty steep. And like I said, if you are afraid of a takedown, train against it. Wing Chun, jiujitsu, judo, boxing, MMA, whatever. If you are afraid or think it is possible then train against it. I trained against it. And to be sure you can not always avoid it. No one is immune to it. And then once taken down, you need to know how to get back to your feet without being beaten to death.
I occasionally watch the UFC fights and for the most part, even though these guys are steroidal looking and pretty tough, I have yet to see any of them that are really skilled past just being strong. They have to fight for any submission hold and quite often lose it. They tend to force by strength rather than roll into it by skill. Just watch and take notes. You will see. There are exceptions, and of these you will see them winning time and again.

[bennyvt]

Firstly afl players aren't much at tackling based on their rules the can only yakle between hip and shoulders so they can go for the legs.
As far as ufc guys not having skills are you serious. Its like the Olympics of fightng. Not many these days get in for being big and strong.

[wiz cool c]

Anythings possible, but the odds against it are probably pretty steep. And like I said, if you are afraid of a takedown, train against it. Wing Chun, jiujitsu, judo, boxing, MMA, whatever. If you are afraid or think it is possible then train against it. I trained against it. And to be sure you can not always avoid it. No one is immune to it. And then once taken down, you need to know how to get back to your feet without being beaten to death.
I occasionally watch the UFC fights and for the most part, even though these guys are steroidal looking and pretty tough, I have yet to see any of them that are really skilled past just being strong. They have to fight for any submission hold and quite often lose it. They tend to force by strength rather than roll into it by skill. Just watch and take notes. You will see. There are exceptions, and of these you will see them winning time and again.

ok dude we are trying to have an intelligent conversation here. you are obviously in la la land

[GlennR]

Anythings possible, but the odds against it are probably pretty steep. And like I said, if you are afraid of a takedown, train against it. Wing Chun, jiujitsu, judo, boxing, MMA, whatever. If you are afraid or think it is possible then train against it. I trained against it. And to be sure you can not always avoid it. No one is immune to it. And then once taken down, you need to know how to get back to your feet without being beaten to death.
I occasionally watch the UFC fights and for the most part, even though these guys are steroidal looking and pretty tough, I have yet to see any of them that are really skilled past just being strong. They have to fight for any submission hold and quite often lose it. They tend to force by strength rather than roll into it by skill. Just watch and take notes. You will see. There are exceptions, and of these you will see them winning time and again.

That is beyond clueless, actually it's uber cluelessness

[GlennR]

Firstly afl players aren't much at tackling based on their rules the can only yakle between hip and shoulders so they can go for the legs.
As far as ufc guys not having skills are you serious. Its like the Olympics of fightng. Not many these days get in for being big and strong.

The Olympics for fighting....... I like that Benny!

[GlennR]

Careful ... you are straying into dangerous turf wars here

He sure is, afl guys have no idea about tackling...... But the I'm an Nrl guy

[Wayfaring]

Careful ... you are straying into dangerous turf wars here

You are absolutely correct. Silly me. That is SO out of place here on this forum

Besides that, I'm about 98% ignorant on the differences.

[anerlich]

I occasionally watch the UFC fights and for the most part, even though these guys are steroidal looking and pretty tough, I have yet to see any of them that are really skilled past just being strong. They have to fight for any submission hold and quite often lose it. They tend to force by strength rather than roll into it by skill. Just watch and take notes. You will see. There are exceptions, and of these you will see them winning time and again.

Then there would no doubt be a huge market and opportunities for skilled TCMAers to beat these unskilled dupes, rake in the prizemoney, and go on to fame and fortune.

Still waiting! I guess everything looks easy from your armchair.