Haha more than u know, more than u know.Well if you gather and "master" your attention span for a few short moments, then you will see that I don't "fit the bill" on it!
Originally posted by BawangOriginally posted by Bawangi had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.
Hw8 actually demonstrated a key point in what is wrong with TCMA nowadays when he answered hoe he knew His Sifu can fight:
What we have here is classic:The sifu knows how to fight. He has had challenge matches and street fights. He refers to them occasionally to validate a certain way of dealing with an attack as opposed to another.
When (contact - no gloves) sparring with him, he will still run circles around the best of his students (I am not one of them yet - long story) and he will still manage to beat them without hurting them. The same with me. He can give you pain from impossibly short distances and not be there when you counter.
The man trains like around 5 hours a day. He is physical specimen. Finally, there is one ability I am proud and that is, calling BS when I see it. I have seen plenty in the MAs as I have been to plenty of schools as part of my own on going research into the TMAs - nothing academic, but rather born out of curiousity. So, there is no BS when either of my Sifus are concerned.
They just don't give the importance that many here in these forums give to sports tournament fighting, BUT they can fight and so can their advanced students.
Anectodal evidence.
Being able to easily defeat his OWN students.
Being in "great shape".
There is only ONE WAY to know whether some can fight and that is to see them fight someone that is a trained fighter.
Period.
If the person in question doesn't fight any longer, then the only way to know that they HAVE fought is a lot tougher of course BUT if they are a teacher then their students WILL fight ( fighters beget fighters) and so, the above criteria is still valid:
If His students fight against OTHER fighters and hold their own.
Anything else, is just, well, nothing at all really.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Yes, my "agenda" is to promote the TCMAs in a TCMA forum. Please sir, don't kill me for it.......
It seems that the irony of what I said was lost on you. The fact is that many times the MMA-ists will claim that the TCMAs do not take into account the ground scenario. When one attempts to enlighten them otherwise, the MMA-ists will then claim "decades" of (non-existent) TCMA experience. Then when one looks at some of their profiles, one sees that they train MT and/or Western Boxing for stand up. So, the implication is that "there is no stand up in TCMAs" either....get the irony? LOL!
This means that not only the "decades" of TCMA experience left them clueless as regards the ground fighting aspects of the TCMAs, but also, most of the MMA-ists have not grasped the particular aspects/principles and skills involved in effective stand up kung fu fighting.
After having seen the TCMA cluelessness of martial artists claiming "decades" of TCMA "experience" - I am actually afraid to "get out more". I mean, what if what you guys have is catching !
Last edited by Hardwork108; 10-18-2011 at 06:20 AM.
In the old days, when people had such doubts, they went and challenged the sifu in question.
Also, there is nothing anectodal about many sifus' challenge matches, unless one is calling them a liar.
In one his seminars he let an MMA-ist student (not his student) take him down and take him down HARD on a wooden floor - or "go to work on him", as one of the this forum posters who was present put it. He handled the guy pretty well.
Look the man knows how to fight, but it is my word against those of people who have not met him, so this will go no where.
The point is that just because people don't fight in sports tournaments, does not mean that they can't fight. I am sure that on some level you agree with that, while we both know that there is less evidence if one does not fight in public events.
Anecdotal means word of mouth dude, unless YOU saw those matches they were just that.
I read what happened at that seminar.
I think YOU see what you want to see my friend because I was told something not so quite the same.
But this isnt' really about You or Him, this is about the criteria used in most TCMA to judge is someone is a fighter.
My point is that it is NOT as good a criteria as that which is used in sport combat arts which is ACTUALLY fighting VA another trained fighter.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Im English, we have to deal with irony from an early age, it sets us up well for people like you )
Still doesn’t change the fact you simply cant admit you are wrong
It also seems you cant list your teachers, how long you trained or pretty uch anything else constructive for that matter )
So you have trained in irony for "decades" as well, just like you have in the TCMAs? LOL!
I have never had a problem admitting that I was wrong, but it is you who is wrong! I explained to you why I was being ironic, in a rather long post.
Hey you can list all your teachers if you want, but you still have no grasp of fundamental TCMA methodologies - it is all in your posts.
So, me listing teachers that you have no idea about, is not going to solve your problems - meaning, stop grasping at straws!
Last edited by Hardwork108; 10-18-2011 at 06:46 AM.
Word of mouth can be a lie, but it can also be the true. The fact is that you cannot judge someone's fighting ability soley based on performances in sports events.
In the past, when people had doubts about anecdotal evidence, they would sometimes test the person in question through a challenge. The problem is that most MMA-ists who badmouth the TCMAs would never take a trip to their local China Town to do so with a sifu of good standing. Instead they will use the "evidence" from sports tournaments when more often than not, the "TCMA-ist" who was handed his butt back, knew even less about the TCMAs than the MMA-ist who is using him as an example of Kung fu failure!
I would say that you the MMA-ists are the ones who post "so much on the subject". This a Kung fu Forum and your (I mean the general MMA crowd in this forum) every other post seem to be telling us about the "shortcomings" of the TCMAs; the non-existance of the Internals; the non-existance of the ground fighting scenario and etc, etc. Comments made by people who obviously have never practiced authentic TCMAs in their lives and again spewed out in a KUNG FU FORUM.
WHY?
ROTLMAO, so your main focal point is a guy who you don't even train under!!
So all you rants about how no one here knows anything about training methods of TCMA and we're all from McKwoons or whatever and this guy you are using as your great example is not even your Sifu. Wow, that is pathetic on so many levels I can't even muster the words.
Also, got to love the comment about the "little I know of the TCMAs is genuine and effective". If one were to read your garbage they would think you have persued a lifetime of training in TCMA, with all your belittling and insulting of everyone you do not deem "worthy" of knowing what you know, which from the sounds of it, is next to nothing.
The reason I ask you to post evidence is quite simple. Any idiot can get on the computer and claim this and that, but you know what, evidence is what makes people give credit where credit is due. You like to insult myself and others and call us MMAists however it is quite easy from the videos I post and my website which is on my account that I do not teach or practice MMA, but when confronted with this fact you simply use your only arguement, "you guys are wrong because you don't know what I know". Fine, step up to the plate and show us how wrong we are.
"The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero projects his fear onto his opponent while the coward runs. 'Fear'. It's the same thing, but it's what you do with it that matters". -Cus D'Amato