Ip Man does BJJ

[anerlich]

Asking someone who loves Strickly Chinese Gung Fu to learn a japanese, korean, Brazillian or European art is a slap in the face to them.

it's

STRICTLY

Demanding would be offensive. But asking them to consider it is a slap in the face? They'd have to be psychotic.

If someone hates MMA, or BJJ or ground fighting chances are they either practice martial arts because they love stand up fighting, they love WC or just really love all chinese gung fu and are not open to other cultures arts!

Or the third and most likely possibility, they have mental problems. There's a difference between saying "That stuff isn't really for me", which I can respect, as opposed to "I hate anyone who doesn't like what I like!" which deserves only ridicule.

Why the hate? What happened to coexistence? Why does it have to be one or the other and not both?

[anerlich]

The Chinese had "69 mount" long before the birth of the BJJ.

Absolutely. I saw an ancient Chinese text depicting the lapeloplata from inverted DLR guard as performed by Cobrinha at the Mundials, except they called it the "knotted cloth noodle".

Seriously, the Brazilians don't claim to have invented everything, and give credit to their Japanese roots.

However, the Chinese didn't invent wrestling either. It arguably predates civilisation.

[Graham H]

Why there are so much resistence toward cross training

For me it's because of the un-naturalness of the Ving Tsun punch and plus there is enough work to do within the system. Getting to a certain level is hard enough but to maintain takes consistent amounts of daily work. No time for other ideas.

GH

[sanjuro_ronin]

Of course TCMa has grappling on par with BJJ, that is why you see all those TCMA cleaning up in submission grappling tournaments and winning the Abu Dhabi.

[Wayfaring]

Of course TCMa has grappling on par with BJJ, that is why you see all those TCMA cleaning up in submission grappling tournaments and winning the Abu Dhabi.

And why you just never see any TCMA "cr@ppling" instructionals out on the interw3bz.

[Yoshiyahu]

flash point was a good movie. if you watch the movie with donnie yen commentary, he even points out where the flaws in his grappling choreography are from the knowledge he gained since he filmed that.

I loved that movies ground worked it was pretty good...

I know exactly what you are talking about. When my

- TKD friend showed me his 360 degree spin hook kick, I showed him a 360 degree backward floor sweep. I then told him that the 360 degree spin hook kick is hidden in that 360 degree backward floor sweep.
- MT friend showed me his flying knee, I showed him a double jumping kick. I then told him that the flying knee is hidden in that double jumping kick.
- BJJ friend showed me his side mount, I showed him a head lock sacrisfice throw. I then told him that the side mount is hidden in that sacrisfice throw.

There is a way to protect the honor of the TCMA. I will call this, "What's Mine is Mine, and What's Yours Is Also Mine." The Chinese had "69 mount" long before the birth of the BJJ.

Thanks for sharing...lol you made me laugh out loud!

[Yoshiyahu]

it's

STRICTLY

Demanding would be offensive. But asking them to consider it is a slap in the face? They'd have to be psychotic.



Or the third and most likely possibility, they have mental problems. There's a difference between saying "That stuff isn't really for me", which I can respect, as opposed to "I hate anyone who doesn't like what I like!" which deserves only ridicule.

Why the hate? What happened to coexistence? Why does it have to be one or the other and not both?

For me it's because of the un-naturalness of the Ving Tsun punch and plus there is enough work to do within the system. Getting to a certain level is hard enough but to maintain takes consistent amounts of daily work. No time for other ideas.

GH

Of course TCMa has grappling on par with BJJ, that is why you see all those TCMA cleaning up in submission grappling tournaments and winning the Abu Dhabi.

they sure do...leave stricking to Stand up fighters like WC, Boxing, MT and Kyoshukin and leave ground work to the BJJ guys i say.

Throwing a purist WC guy in the octagon against MMA guy who does MT and BJJ is like throwing a golden glove boxer into the Tae Kwon Do Olympics!!!

Its not gonna end well for him because the game is different!!!!

And why you just never see any TCMA "cr@ppling" instructionals out on the interw3bz.

Lol

[Phil Redmond]

they sure do...leave stricking to Stand up fighters like WC, Boxing, MT and Kyoshukin and leave ground work to the BJJ guys i say. . . . .Lol

You have to include Judoka in your statement. Especially this man in NJ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshisada_Yonezuka. BJJ black belts highly respect him.

[YouKnowWho]

they sure do...leave stricking to Stand up fighters like WC, Boxing, MT and Kyoshukin and leave ground work to the BJJ guys i say.

Throwing a purist WC guy in the octagon against MMA guy who does MT and BJJ is like throwing a golden glove boxer into the Tae Kwon Do Olympics!!!

Since the Chinese wrestling has rule as, "Whoever touches the ground first will lose that round." The definition of "touch the ground" is any 2 points besides your feet. Since all wrestlers like to shoot low, it almost takes no effort to foce them to have 2 points of their body to touch the ground when they shoot in. This make the wrestlers have no chance to win on the Chinese wrestling mat. On the other hand, The Chinese wrestlers also have no chance to win on the western wrestling mat since the ground game is lacking.

It makes no sense that I can beat you in my ruleset, but you can beat me in your ruleset. When you fight someone to the death, there will be no rules. We just can't open our window and only allow butterfly to fly in. We should also allow flies and mosquitos to fly in too.

Its not gonna end well for him because the game is different!!!!

Our goal should not be the "game" but "staying alive".

[Yoshiyahu]

FIGHT TO DEATH

Who do you think would win in a fight to the death with broken glass, knives, chains and baseball bats...

Royce Gracie or Mike Tyson?


Anything goes?

Since the Chinese wrestling has rule as, "Whoever touches the ground first will lose that round." The definition of "touch the ground" is any 2 points besides your feet. Since all wrestlers like to shoot low, it almost takes no effort to foce them to have 2 points of their body to touch the ground when they shoot in. This make the wrestlers have no chance to win on the Chinese wrestling mat. On the other hand, The Chinese wrestlers also have no chance to win on the western wrestling mat since the ground game is lacking.

It makes no sense that I can beat you in my ruleset, but you can beat me in your ruleset. When you fight someone to the death, there will be no rules. We just can't open our window and only allow butterfly to fly in. We should also allow flies and mosquitos to fly in too.

[Phil Redmond]

Here's another Capoeira MMA fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0KfQ...&feature=share

[Hardwork108]

Here's another Capoeira MMA fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0KfQ...&feature=share

That was a great KO and I am glad that the guy did not get hurt seriously. When I saw this I couldn't help but remember the WC, and indeed other Kung Fu principle of going forward and jamming.

If anything, this video - at least to me - demonstrates the importance of absorbing and using the principles of one's given TCMA style.

[Phil Redmond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2JlP...eature=related

[k gledhill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2JlP...eature=related

A gem of a clip. ...its all there Arm bar, RNC, Guillotine, full mount too....they just lacked the marketing skills of the Gracies.

[sanjuro_ronin]

A gem of a clip. ...its all there Arm bar, RNC, Guillotine, full mount too....they just lacked the marketing skills of the Gracies.

But they did have the same base as the Gracies