Ginger Fist & Phoenix Eye

[Lucas]

sorry guys...

[k gledhill]

Arguing against the phoenix eye and ginger fists, other than the extra requirement of specialised conditioning, is illogical to me. If you train it, why would there be a problem in recognizing when to engage it when the opportunity presents itself?

Do you have a problem deciding when to use a palm instead of a punch?

Palms coincide with the slt elbow ideas and we train them in many ways.
In chisao we use tan to vrt palm to make our elbows displace.

Horizontal palm / jum elbow in
Vertical palm / tan elbow out

[k gledhill]

You're not suggesting that WC is only what is in its forms, are you?

Where do you put them ?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Where do you put them ?

In the curriculum.
If a system only had what was in their forms then WC would have no knees and Karate would have no roundhouse kicks ( neither would the vast majority of TCMA).

[YouKnowWho]

In the curriculum.
If a system only had what was in their forms then WC would have no knees and Karate would have no roundhouse kicks ( neither would the vast majority of TCMA).

Why is a certain move not in the forms if a system use it? How can you tell that the famous saying "To be is to do, to do is to be" came from Shakespeare if we can't find that sentence exists in any of his play?

[Yoshiyahu]

Phoenix Eye Fist doesn't just strike the eye...If you hit the neck, temples, throat or chest with it repeately with hard strikes you will hurt them...

Specifically the Phoenix Eye fist is for striking the face below the forehead....Striking with one solid hard knuckle can definitie do some damamge!

[k gledhill]

Phoenix Eye Fist doesn't just strike the eye...If you hit the neck, temples, throat or chest with it repeately with hard strikes you will hurt them...

Specifically the Phoenix Eye fist is for striking the face below the forehead....Striking with one solid hard knuckle can definitie do some damamge!

the logic is ....if you need to do 6 phoenix eyes to my forehead ...why not 1 punch that will ko me and send me back 6 ft on my ar s e ?

just asking ?

I thought PE was more a Praying Mantis thing anyway.

[Vajramusti]

Why is a certain move not in the forms if a system use it? How can you tell that the famous saying "To be is to do, to do is to be" came from Shakespeare if we can't find that sentence exists in any of his play?

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Shakespeare also had the famous wing chun phrase "As you like it didnt he"? And in Othello he also talks about the wing chun guy who threw a pearl away- not knowing what it was didn't he.?

Wing chun forms are NOT a collection of techniques-they are fundamental developmental motioms from which competent wing chun people can derive operational techniques.

joy chaudhuri

[Yoshiyahu]

I doubt you would be able to knock out the average joe with your first punch....Not even Mike Tyson was that good!!!

the logic is ....if you need to do 6 phoenix eyes to my forehead ...why not 1 punch that will ko me and send me back 6 ft on my ar s e ?

just asking ?

I thought PE was more a Praying Mantis thing anyway.

[Fa Xing]

I doubt you would be able to knock out the average joe with your first punch....Not even Mike Tyson was that good!!!

Are you sure?

[Yoshiyahu]

Are you sure?

i was talking to kdell

[k gledhill]

I doubt you would be able to knock out the average joe with your first punch....Not even Mike Tyson was that good!!!

Welcome to Ving Tsun ! focus your line of force on a centerline that will absorb all your force and behold you become a more efficient direct striker. Incorporating simultaneous attacking and defensive actions in these formidable striking attacks end fights quicker than you ever thought possible ~! and more

um yes...if you dont think I can send you sliding 6 ft back on your ar s e then watch inch punching demos by just a bout every VT guy and his mom
Inch punching is a way to prove the force line
if I can inch punch you into a chair several ft behind you, you dont think I can do that with a 100% full force strike to your jaw from a foot or more away ?


I have front kicked guys through the air like bowling pins ....same ideas as punching.

most of you can take my word about VT's force line in real execution , except the muppet heckler Frost my forum nemesis, he needs hat cam proof.

[Fa Xing]

i was talking to kdell

Yeah, so, it's a public forum. PM or get a room () if you want something private.

[Yoshiyahu]

i doubt you can knock people out like that with the first punch on a consistance basis...atleast not against someone who is really aggressively fighting you...If he stands there waiting for the hit maybe...But as for pushing force...well any one can do that!!! with enough practice...When i say knock out i dont mean send some flying or stumbling backwards from the velocity force causing the momentum to make them stumble for balance...

When i say knock out i mean hit them hard enough to where the room goes black and they fall straight to floor like the twin towers. I mean the collaspe and fall where you hit that at,...Not three to five feet away!

Welcome to Ving Tsun ! focus your line of force on a centerline that will absorb all your force and behold you become a more efficient direct striker. Incorporating simultaneous attacking and defensive actions in these formidable striking attacks end fights quicker than you ever thought possible ~! and more

um yes...if you dont think I can send you sliding 6 ft back on your ar s e then watch inch punching demos by just a bout every VT guy and his mom
Inch punching is a way to prove the force line
if I can inch punch you into a chair several ft behind you, you dont think I can do that with a 100% full force strike to your jaw from a foot or more away ?


I have front kicked guys through the air like bowling pins ....same ideas as punching.

[k gledhill]

i doubt you can knock people out like that with the first punch on a consistance basis...atleast not against someone who is really aggressively fighting you...If he stands there waiting for the hit maybe...But as for pushing force...well any one can do that!!! with enough practice...When i say knock out i dont mean send some flying or stumbling backwards from the velocity force causing the momentum to make them stumble for balance...

When i say knock out i mean hit them hard enough to where the room goes black and they fall straight to floor like the twin towers. I mean the collaspe and fall where you hit that at,...Not three to five feet away!

You can never be sure, just hit them until they change their altitude and attitude .

Some go quicker than others...