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    Name of this form?

    Hi

    Can anyone tell me the name of this form please?

    Thanks

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahxhozz7d5M

    starts at 30sec mark
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5thBrother View Post
    Hi

    Can anyone tell me the name of this form please?

    Thanks

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahxhozz7d5M

    starts at 30sec mark
    It goes by two different names depending on who you ask. It is called Eighteen Hands (shi ba shou) or Eighteen Elders (shi be sou). It is commonly taught by the Hong Kong branches of Seven Star Praying Mantis (qixing tanglangquan).
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    Thank you very much for the information
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    Glad to help!
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    form

    It is 18 elders, 18 hands is a completely different form.

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    "18 elders" makes no Chinese sense. What's the meaning of

    - "18" here?
    - "elders" here?

    Were there 18 old masters who created this form together? Have you even heard that 18 TCMA masters got together all at the same time? It's very difficult to link "old men" with a form.

    Please notice that when you speak in Cantonese, to a non-Cantonese speaker, it will have a complete different meaning. Example are:

    - Shou,
    - Sao,
    - Sau,

    Here is a famous Cantonese joke. In a crowded bus,

    Girl: You love me so much, it makes me feel uncomfortable.
    Guy: I didn't say that I love you.
    Girl: If you don't love me, who do you love?
    Guy: Whom do I love should not be your concern.
    Girl: ...

    The word "close body contact" in Cantonese pronounce exactly the same as the the word "love" in Mandarin.
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    LOL! Like I said, "It depends on who you ask".
    We have had this debate before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Were there 18 old masters who created this form together? Have you even heard that 18 TCMA masters got together all at the same time? It's very difficult to link "old men" with a form.
    Well fwiw, the story is that Mantis includes the best skills or methods of 18 different masters.

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    This is a bad example of performing Northern style mantis in southern style favour.

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    Maybe he got the sequence from a book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alextse4 View Post
    This is a bad example of performing Northern style mantis in southern style favour.
    Agree! I have never seen any northern PM form was performed without "speed". Sometime people may just record form in slow motion for teaching purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alextse4 View Post
    This is a bad example of performing Northern style mantis in southern style favour.
    This "southern flavour" is what peeked my interest initially.

    Can anyone point me to a clip of it performed with more correctly, just to compare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5thBrother View Post
    This "southern flavour" is what peeked my interest initially.

    Can anyone point me to a clip of it performed with more correctly, just to compare.
    Different forms but with good speed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1OuZDo-s20

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=8E9uLaMBevg

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    Maybe he is doing the form to produce a video or book. Many people doing that these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5thBrother View Post
    This "southern flavour" is what peeked my interest initially.

    Can anyone point me to a clip of it performed with more correctly, just to compare.
    Here is a good rendition of the form, though again done at teaching speed:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJT6...eature=related

    Here is one of my kung fu brothers, a fellow student of Mike Biggie, demonstrating the set with some speed and power:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CIvl...el_video_title
    Last edited by mooyingmantis; 11-06-2011 at 06:29 AM.
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