How have you or your school addressed the current BJJ / MMA movement that's prevalent in today's martial arts?
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How have you or your school addressed the current BJJ / MMA movement that's prevalent in today's martial arts?
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My School
As I've stated elsewhere, one of the teachers in my family has been studying No Gi JJ and BJJ for some 15 years--he offers regular ground training at his school, and offers seminars at our school whenever he's in the area.
Also (perhaps because his first MA was Judo, perhaps just 'cause he really knows his stuff), my teacher is able to show how to adapt various techniques for the ground. Also we frequently train from the clinch, and have no issues with adopting methods from other styles under appropriate circumstances (the boxer's close guard, for example).
Myself
I've done some of the ground seminars mentioned above. Also looking into doing a little cross-training at the local MMA club...am currently waiting for a response from them to see if I can wear sneakers when I train (have plantar fasciitis, need my arch support)--so whether I'm able to do more for myself at the moment depends on their answer.
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Well, I'll have to get a pair of wrestling shoes, but it sounds like I can do it. Guess I'll get a firsthand look at the view from the other side.Originally Posted by ShaolinDan
...am currently waiting for a response from them to see if I can wear sneakers when I train (have plantar fasciitis, need my arch support
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I have otomix wrestling shoes, check them out real light weight. Oddly enough I use them when I do bag work, they have never seen the mats
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When I first started looking for martial art schools, my only thought was to become like that TV character from the show "Kung Fu" with David Carridine. I had no idea about grappling in MA other than the wrestling I had been doing.
I did Tae Kwon Do, Karate and Kun Tao. The Kun Tao was the closest thing to grappling, but it just was not my bag. The others were only stand up styles. When I met my current teacher the first thing I noticed is that we were doing SC right off the bat.
Northern Shaolin and Hung Gar both have some ground work but they definately are different looking the BJJ and MMA ground fighting. They are also not quite as extensive as them also. Besides the ground work they have a grappling style called Chin Na (Kum Na in Cantonese). Northern Shaolin has an extensive Chin Na program which combined with it's ground work can be enough for the average person looking for self defense.
With the skills I have accumulated over the years I have no reason to go out and pick up any BJJ or MMA ground work. What I do now:
I start kids off by teaching them High school wrestling and Shuai Chiao. As their skill level picks up and their level of control gets good, then I start them on sparring and San Shou (all during this they are learning basic kung fu skills like punching and kicking and stance work etc etc.).
Teens and Young adults learn Kung Fu basics and Shaui Chiao. They have the option to go and do High School wrestling. As their skill increases they start Sparring and San Shou.
Usually all the adults stick to kung fu basics and self defense. Not every adult likes to roll around. Females and older folk are not likely to join my Shuai Chiao, San Shou or Wrestling classes.
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Does it really have to be an either/or proposition? Neither side does the same job in the same way. I wouldn't go to a bjj school for their striking tips. And vice verse.
My kung fu covers my strikes, kicks, locks, throws, mobility and range. That's what most kung fu wants to do, to hold the line and get the dominant position. But if my line is breached and I find myself on the other end, I'll try to get out as well I can, and it won't be a CMA inspired technique necessarily. There could be nuances in my choices of movement due to CMA. Perhaps paradigms not explored or accepted by the status quo. But my grappling will never be "pure" . I can't help but hit. Its in my DNA. For me, there are too many chances for a strike for me to ignore.
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Have to agree. If you're not a grappler/wrestler you are not going to be prone to accommodating your enemy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEvFX...eature=related
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I found an awesome Wing Chun grappling class and took it online!! True story.
Myself and the other instructor who teaches with me did what everyone else did, went out and cross trained in grappling systems and filled in the gaps. I believe Shuai Jiao and wrestling to be an integral part of any Kung Fu, and most systems should have these.
The best advice, use your throws, takedowns, and sweeps and either cross train or roll with wrestlers, judokas, BJJers, and fill in the gaps and improve your game. Learning positioning, bridging, shrimping, and submissions and counters is also important, if for no other reason than to be able to stand back up.
Last night at our class this is what we worked on, positioning, bridging, shrimping, and standing back up. If anything with the current focus on grappling in the marital arts practioners should look to be able to counter these movements, which only comes from learning them yourself.
"The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero projects his fear onto his opponent while the coward runs. 'Fear'. It's the same thing, but it's what you do with it that matters". -Cus D'Amato
GM of Hadaka Korosu
I have this simple suggestion:
Go to your local judo or BJJ gym ( or MMA if you have one) and speak with the head instructor and tell him you would like for someone to come to your school on a reg basis to introduce your students to ground work.
They will be very accomodating.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Ninja Vanish!!
Also, most BJJ instructors would be happy to come to your gym/kwoon and give a seminar on basic ground work, usually at a nominal fee. This at least gets them started in the basics that you can work on with them as well as have the BJJ instrutor continue this somewhat regulary for advancement.
"The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero projects his fear onto his opponent while the coward runs. 'Fear'. It's the same thing, but it's what you do with it that matters". -Cus D'Amato
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This is how I plan to further my own experience, given my limited time. One of my students studied for a couple years with a local bjj black belt who I've heard is a really good guy, so the plan is to periodically do this.
GM of Hadaka Korosu
Outside of the web, you will find that BJJ players ( and BB in particular) are very easy going and respectful and they just love to get exposed to other MA.
Even if it's only once a week, it will be an amazing experience.
The first time I rolled with a BB it felt like grappling with an empty jacket and then an anaconda ! LOL !
You truly have no idea the skill level of a trained grappler until you roll with one.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
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