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    Po Pai drill clip

    Always good to see some ideas at work...enjoy .Po-pai we use to put someone back into striking range, not to just shove away. Enrico [left] makes several mistakes on purpose. Can you spot his mistakes ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by k gledhill View Post
    Always good to see some ideas at work...enjoy .Po-pai we use to put someone back into striking range, not to just shove away. Enrico [left] makes several mistakes on purpose. Can you spot his mistakes ?


    Po-Pai Clip


    Can u illustrate the correct way its done?
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    "Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."

    "Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshiyahu View Post
    Can u illustrate the correct way its done?
    It should be obvious.

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    he overcommit his movements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesper View Post
    he overcommit his movements.
    Yes ! and what else ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by k gledhill View Post
    Yes ! and what else ?
    ok after quick look.

    he seems to lacks forward intent, he chases arms, he has a defensive mindset, he steps straight back when pressed instead of angling, his focus is on the arms instead of the opponent.

    mind you its a vid so take everything I say with a grain of salt

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    Quote Originally Posted by k gledhill View Post
    Po-pai we use to put someone back into striking range,
    Why do you want to push your opponent away if he wants to come in to you?

    Has anyone ever considered that the Wing Chun sticky hand is a good way to develop your "grappling" ability during the "clinching" situation. You are almost there. All you need is just to have "open mind" and go one step beyond.

    Po-Pai Clip

    From your sticky hand situation, it doesn't take much to get into head lock, under hook, over hook, bear hug, waist surround. After that if you just add your leg skill, you can bring the "throwing art" into your WC system without too much effort at all.
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 11-05-2011 at 11:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesper View Post
    ok after quick look.

    he seems to lacks forward intent, he chases arms, he has a defensive mindset, he steps straight back when pressed instead of angling, his focus is on the arms instead of the opponent.

    mind you its a vid so take everything I say with a grain of salt
    excellent , yes. As its a mutual drill, he is deliberately feeding these mistakes for the other. Linear movement , coupled with over rotation on the vertical axis line , while hand chasing it leaves a bad taste in the mouth just typing that

    As the Partner Po-pa'ing we develop the ability to regulate distances, arms working to cycle through attempts to stop them or simply over swinging at us...

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Why do you want to push your opponent away if he wants to come in to you?

    Has anyone ever considered that the Wing Chun sticky hand is a good way to develop your "grappling" ability during the "clinching" situation. You are almost there. All you need is just to have "open mind" and go one step beyond.

    Po-Pai Clip

    From your sticky hand situation, it doesn't take much to get into head lock, under hook, over hook, bear hug, waist surround. After that if you just add your leg skill, you can bring the "throwing art" into your WC system without too much effort at all.
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    Has anyone....?? Yes yes yes. It's part of a good wc curriculum. Its to easy to critique a video- so I
    pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Why do you want to push your opponent away if he wants to come in to you?

    Has anyone ever considered that the Wing Chun sticky hand is a good way to develop your "grappling" ability during the "clinching" situation. You are almost there. All you need is just to have "open mind" and go one step beyond.

    Po-Pai Clip

    From your sticky hand situation, it doesn't take much to get into head lock, under hook, over hook, bear hug, waist surround. After that if you just add your leg skill, you can bring the "throwing art" into your WC system without too much effort at all.
    One can flow into their own MMA/JKD as it allows. We are training a VT concept .
    We share concepts to other grappling arts tactically , whereby the leading arm is used to turn the opponent or allow the opponent to turn themselves and take legs etc...But its a personal choice of the student , rather than me mixing the VT with ? .


    Be aware that the 'sticking hand' situation is simply a drilling platform for mutual starting points on a clock face of possible directions and random force exchange with action reaction drills.

    When fighting we dont start in chi-sao or seek to use 2 arms equally extended as the drills, so trying to draw similarities to clinch work is only through misunderstanding the intentions of the chi-sao in the first place.
    There is a certain amount of 'redundancy' in the drilling that many uninformed practitioners choose to overuse for lack of any other directions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k gledhill View Post
    When fighting we dont start in chi-sao ...
    There is a missing part in both WC sticky hand training and Taiji push hand training. That is how to move in and "build a bridge" in a true combat situation. There are other training that will be needed in order to reach to the WC sticky hand or Taiji push hand stage. Other TCMA systems may have the closing gap training, but since other TCMA systems may not have something similiar to sticky hand and push hand, there is still a gap toward the integration effort.

    Compare to boxing or MT which both have gloves on their hands, also with no "bridge building concept", the "WC sticky hand" or "Taiji push hand" has given the TCMA guy an advantage toward the throwing art integration.

    If MMA guys can integrate wrestling with boxing, for a WC or Taiji guy to integrate the throwing art should be a much easier task.

    It makes sense if you look at it from the "integration" point of view. Whether you will have "open mind" like MMA guy have, that will be a differnt concern. Should we all go through the "integration" path sometime in our life? That will be another discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    This is the missing part in both WC sticky hand training and Taiji push hand training and that is how to move in and "build a bridge" in a true combat situation. There are other training that will be needed in order to reach to the WC sticky hand or Taiji push hand stage. Other TCMA systems may have the closing gap training, but since other TCMA systems may not have something similiar to sticky hand and push hand, there is still a gap toward the integration effort.

    Compare to boxing or MT which both have gloves on their hands, also with no "bridge building concept", the "WC sticky hand" or "Taiji push hand" has given the TCMA guy an advantage toward the throwing art integration.

    If MMA guys can integrate wrestling with boxing, for a WC or Taiji guy to integrate the throwing art should be a much easier task.

    It makes sense if you look at it from the "integration" point of view. Whether you will have "open mind" like MMA guy have, that will be a differnt concern.
    we dont seek to make bridges, chi-sao isnt to look for bridges to stick or clinch, its not like taichi push hands.......it just looks that way to the uninformed....
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    Hey Kev, can you upload a vid of what you think is the correct way of holding the placard? In fact, I've never seen a vid of you doing anything and I'm like to see a clip of you performing the po pai or any WC technique/drill for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Redmond View Post
    Hey Kev, can you upload a vid of what you think is the correct way of holding the placard? In fact, I've never seen a vid of you doing anyway and I'm like to see a clip of you performing the po pai or any WC technique/drill for that matter.
    Placard ? ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by k gledhill View Post
    Placard ? ....
    During Chinese funerals someone would carry a sign with the surname of the deceased. In later times it could be a picture. Nowadays the picture is on a vehicle as those who are familiar with China towns know. Grab a book or picture frame with one hand on the upper right/left corner and one hand on the lower left/right corner. Ok, so let's say you have your right hand holding the upper right corner and your left hand holding the lower left corner of the frame you have a shape similar to the Po Pai. Po Pai means holding/carrying the sign/placard. It helps to look at all the Chinese characters used in Wing Chun, have them translated and explained. That's why I don't use VT. It's an incorrect Romanization based on proper Cantonese pronunciation. (I do understand that some scholars say V and W are close in Latin and that Ts can be Ch).
    I'm still amazed that in this age of available information to see that some people are taught that Tan Sao means "Palm Up".
    The movements in WC weren't randomly picked. They tell you how to use them.
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