Fast and powerful punch

[TenTigers]

The fast pull back makes the gi have a nice snapping sound

You always run into the new student who has had prior experience with karate or TKD and likes to snap his gi with punches and kicks in the air.


A car kills you because it plows through you, not withdraw upon impact. Same for a bullet and a punch.

actually, many of the injuries from auto accidents (to the driver/passengers) are due to massive internal trauma. The shock/concussion literally tears up the internal organs, which are soft tissue. Think of the consistency of raw liver and you will have an idea.

In fact, I was taught a short, tight hook punch, which works really well from the clinch. It has that same short jolt.
I think the problem most people are having is one of understanding that the snap back, still has a certain degree of penetration, and is not simply snapping the punch and striking the surface.

[wenshu]

Looks pretty snappy to me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZdLJAYzV9M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kyi57mKkVs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6zlaIl0yh0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXyS2LjPCR0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZdLJAYzV9M

[wenshu]

Is anyone arguing that?

Who's arguing?

[Lucas]

Who's arguing?

I AM YOU FUKERS!! I just dont know what about yet....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GII1x7Q2MQU

[YouKnowWho]

Power though on hook punch unless it's a setup or change to take control of his defending motion.

From a

- striker point of view, a punch is just a punch.
- grapper point of view, a punch is more than just a punch.

[sanjuro_ronin]

actually, many of the injuries from auto accidents (to the driver/passengers) are due to massive internal trauma. The shock/concussion literally tears up the internal organs, which are soft tissue. Think of the consistency of raw liver and you will have an idea.

In fact, I was taught a short, tight hook punch, which works really well from the clinch. It has that same short jolt.
I think the problem most people are having is one of understanding that the snap back, still has a certain degree of penetration, and is not simply snapping the punch and striking the surface.

I think that most, when they think "snap", think the typical "air punch" that one often sees and such.
When we actually hit soemthing you learn, very quickly, the degree of compression that MUST have before the whole "snap back" thing takes place.

[YouKnowWho]

The past pulling back is the continuation of your next attack.

In another thread, people asked why do you not want to finish your punch. When you punch, you see that your opponent's arm is going to block it. You will have 2 choices there. Just let your arm continue and allow your opponent's arm to block your punch, or before his arm contacts yours, you pull your punch back in fast speed. When his arm miss your punch, you can punch back after his arm is passing through. The fast pulling back is for "change". In prey mantis training, you always use the pulling back as the starting point of your next strike. The faster that you can pull your fist back, the faster that you can strike your next punch. This is the theory of "machine gun" - the fast that you can eject your shell, the faster that you can reload.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I want to add this little tidbit:
Years ago the JKA did a study on the muscular output of karate punches and they found that the most powerful ( and faster) punch was the 2nd punch in a multi-stike combination.
They also noticed that force and speed decreased after the 3rd strike.
This study can be found in the book "Dynamic Karate" by Nakayama.

In the studies I was involved in, the result were almost identical.
In ANY multi-combo striking combination ( more than 2 strikes, up to 7), the fastes and most powerful was the 2nd and after the 3rd or 4th there was a NOTICEABLE loss of speed and impact force.

[TenTigers]

unless you tap into that, "crazy power." Y'know, like those people who stab their victims forty-seven times in the back.
I would be interested in knowing the depth of penetration of the other forty stabs...

Frankly, I don't know where they get the energy. I would get tired after twenty or so stabs. I'd probably have to take a break, sit down, maybe after a while get up and do several more stabs, take another break...get a coffee...

[sanjuro_ronin]

unless you tap into that, "crazy power." Y'know, like those people who stab their victims forty-seven times in the back.
I would be interested in knowing the depth of penetration of the other forty stabs...

Frankly, I don't know where they get the energy. I would get tired after twenty or so stabs. I'd probably have to take a break, sit down, maybe after a while get up and do several more stabs, take another break...get a coffee...

What is more freaky is when those victims survive !!

[YouKnowWho]

What is more freaky is when those victims survive !!

We all know from watching "Halloween" and "Friday the 13th" movies that unleas you cut your opponent's head off, he will always come back.

[Punch.HeadButt]

Years ago the JKA did a study on the muscular output of karate punches and they found that the most powerful ( and faster) punch was the 2nd punch in a multi-stike combination.

This is just common knowledge and I'm sure I don't even have to mention it, but as I haven't seen it brought up in this thread (I probably missed it)...the pulling back of the first punch is added to the power going out with the second punch. In terms of a basic left-right 1-2 combo, pulling the left arm (really the whole left side of the body) back explosively adds significant amounts of speed and power to the second punch. At least in my learning.

We actually train our Beng Quan from Xing Yi with this principle as well...we were taught to focus on the pulling back of the extended fist to generate power. As long as the structure of the arm going out is unified and clean, you can get decent power even if you only focus on the pulling back of the arm coming back. In fact, the pulling back of the one arm is considered the initial movement of the following punch.

[sanjuro_ronin]

We all know from watching "Halloween" and "Friday the 13th" movies that unleas you cut your opponent's head off, he will always come back.

Even zombies and immortals are helpless when decapitated.

[TenTigers]

This is just common knowledge and I'm sure I don't even have to mention it, but as I haven't seen it brought up in this thread (I probably missed it)...the pulling back of the first punch is added to the power going out with the second punch. In terms of a basic left-right 1-2 combo, pulling the left arm (really the whole left side of the body) back explosively adds significant amounts of speed and power to the second punch. At least in my learning.

We actually train our Beng Quan from Xing Yi with this principle as well...we were taught to focus on the pulling back of the extended fist to generate power. As long as the structure of the arm going out is unified and clean, you can get decent power even if you only focus on the pulling back of the arm coming back. In fact, the pulling back of the one arm is considered the initial movement of the following punch.

Dude, we've already gone to silly mode.
You can't now start trying to bring in useful information to the thread at this point.
Go start another thread.


go on now....

[Punch.HeadButt]

With my timing, I'll never be a dancer.