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    The U.S. reviews

    'Iceman' takes the heat out of Donnie Yen's performance

    A scene from the movie "Iceman." (Well Go USA Entertainment)
    By Charles Solomon

    'Iceman,' with Donnie Yen as Ming Dynasty imperial bodyguard unfrozen after 400 years, is an overwrought mess
    'Iceman's' endless big battle has motorcycles, horses, helicopters, explosions, halberds, chains, screams

    Simultaneously overblown and underdeveloped, "Iceman" fails equally at showcasing the talent of its star and resolving its baroque plot.

    Ho Ying (Donnie Yen), a Ming Dynasty imperial bodyguard, is delivering the Golden Wheel of Time, a sort of Ramayana-based Wayback Machine, to the emperor in 1621. Falsely accused of treason, he defies his would-be captors and ends up buried in the snow with three vengeful brothers.

    The quartet re-emerges in 2013 in high-tech cryogenic shipping containers, apparently at the order of an immortality-obsessed North Korean dictator.

    Accidentally dumped in Hong Kong, Ying falls in with May (Eva Huang), a gold-digging bar hostess. Ho Ying can do everything — killing policemen with thrown pencils, curing May's mother's Alzheimer's by readjusting her yin-yang balance. He suavely wins May's heart without even trying.

    The film stumbles along less gracefully, lurching from overwrought action sequences (including one involving super-charged intestinal gas) to dull stretches of exposition. Eventually it reaches a seemingly endless climactic battle sequence that includes a motorcycle chase, a horseback chase, car crashes, helicopters, explosions and, of course, fights with swords, shields, halberds, chains and screams.

    The audience has no idea of how the soldiers were found, why they're alive after 400 years in the ice, if the Golden Wheel of Time actually works, or why the North Koreans aren't looking for their missing Ming warriors.

    Although it can't have been easy, director Law Wing-cheong manages to defuse Yen's charismatic skill as a martial artist. Ho Ying can't even wink in real time, and the overused shifts from slow motion to speeded-up action to CG-enhanced leaps, flips and spins bleaches the authenticity and excitement out of Yen's moves.

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    "Iceman."

    MPAA rating: R for violence, language, sexual reference.

    Running time: 1 hour, 44 minutes.
    Out of the Freezer and Into the Fight Ring
    In ‘Iceman,’ Ming Dynasty Foes Awaken in the Future
    By ANDY WEBSTER SEPT. 18, 2014


    Donnie Yen in "Iceman." Credit Well Go USA

    ICEMAN
    Opens on Friday
    Directed by Law Wing-cheong
    In Mandarin and Cantonese, with English subtitles
    1 hour 44 minutes

    The plot doesn’t entirely cohere in Law Wing-cheong’s antic martial-arts extravaganza “Iceman,” but you sure can see the budget on screen.

    The premise — the noble warrior Ho Ying (Donnie Yen) is frozen for centuries, then revived in present-day Hong Kong along with his three enemies from the Ming dynasty — has a vague through line. (The film is a very loose remake of a cult Hong Kong hit from the 1980s.) But it’s really just an excuse to stage a seemingly nonstop procession of flamboyant set pieces: a nightclub melee illuminated by pastel neon; ancient armies assembled in a vast snowscape; a spectacular brawl involving a chain, an ax, a helicopter and hurtling automobiles on the Tsing Ma Bridge.

    Mr. Law, who has worked with the Hong Kong auteur Johnnie To as an assistant director and editor, fills the moments between action sequences with some fish-out-of-water jokes (“The Terminator” is mentioned) and strained, sentimental romance (Eva Huang has a thanklessly ditsy role). But the delirious blend of over-the-top wire work and comedy recalls the To classic “The Heroic Trio,” and a sense of brash, goofy invention prevails.

    Best of all, Mr. Law doesn’t skimp on wide-screen compositions; this is one movie designed for the theater, not the couch.

    “Iceman” is rated R (Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian). Obscene language and cartoonish fisticuffs.
    I did see this after all and will have a forum review later...
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    First forum review

    I actually saw this weeks ago but I put off posting a review just to give it's U.S. release some breathing room.

    I'm going to open with a SPOILER: Q: When you are a defrosted medieval warrior with superhuman powers, and you are trapped in a bathroom, surrounded by several dozen SWAT cops with machine guns and tear gas launchers, how do you escape? A: Crap in the toilet and somehow make it to explode so big that it covers the SWAT cops with crap, sends the toilet flying into the air and covers your escape. END SPOILER

    I know it's poor form to even drop spoilers but that spoiler was the centerpiece of the film - a bloated travesty of Chinese filmmaking which, in a nutshell, explains why Chinese cinema can't cross over to the U.S. quite yet. Iceman is a remake of an '89 flick awkwardly titled horribly in English Iceman Cometh with Yuen Biao, Maggie Cheung, Yuen Wah and Yuen Tak. That was a decent B Kung Fu flick. It was, of course, a Kung Fu spin on the '84 Timothy Hutton flick Iceman about defrosting a neanderthal. The Kung Fu spin is that it's a medieval Chinese Kung Fu master. It's a great concept really - lots of reason to have crazy fight scenes and comic pratfalls. And in this new version, a over-budgeted 3D spectacular that was shown at Cannes, Donnie Yen stars as the defrostee. It was so big, it pulled a 3-4 Musketeers and had to be split into 2 parts (part 1 was 2013, part 2 is forthcoming). It stars some other big names beyond Donnie: Wang Baoqiang, who was in Lost in Thailand and is starting to really grow on me as a great funnyman, Eva Huang from Kung Fu Hustle and Sorcerer and the White Snake, and one of my all-time fav HK actors, the truly awesome Simon Yam. There's some good fights - major wirework and CGI but decent. There's sword fights. There's a lot of random story arcs. There's some peeing scenes where we discover that medieval warriors pee like firehoses. It's much in the wake of Stephen Chow with it's mo lei tau humor, but that humor is inserted obliquely, jarringly. Such is the nature of HK film nowadays. They laugh at silly crap. Crap that blows up toilets. I confess I saw it without English subs, so it got a little hard to follow, and there's a part of me that thinks I should see it with subs just to get some explanation as my Mandarin is pretty weak lately, but then again, I suspect it won't help.
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    Iceman: The Time Traveler 冰封侠:时空行者

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    legal action?

    Donnie Yen makes legal strike against makers of terrible Iceman film
    ASEAN PLUS
    Sunday, 18 Nov 2018
    10:06 AM MYT
    by elaine yau



    Action superstar Donnie Yen has taken legal action against his latest film’s official blog host, saying its accusations against him have damaged his reputation.

    In a legal letter released by a Beijing law firm on November 13, Yen took issue with the official blog host of Iceman: The Time Traveler (aka The Frozen Hero II) for releasing an article on Weibo that panned Yen for changing script dialogue at will, refusing to do reshoots and wear wigs, being imperious, and interfering with the work of production crew. The article was released on November 3.

    “Through Weibo and social forums, the untrue sayings [in the Weibo article] were widely spread around … and have led to adverse effects in society, have severely harmed Donnie Yen’s reputation, and have caused much distress for Yen, his family, working partners and fans,” Yen’s legal letter read.

    The dispute can be traced to the poor performance of Iceman: The Time Traveler, released in China on November 2. As of November 15 the movie had earned 34 million yuan (US$4.9 million) at the China box office, a blatant flop when movies boasting similarly stellar cast can easily take in hundreds of millions of yuan in ticket sales in the first week of release.



    The blog post apologised to director Raymond Yip Wai-man and scriptwriter Manfred Wong for the film’s poor performance and absolved them from blame.

    “Using his rich experience in [making action movies], Donnie Yen always interferes with the work of the action director … Manfred Wong had done a lot of historical research on the Ming dynasty [the period in which the film is set], but Yen changed the dialogue related to the historical background on location and refused to do a re-shoot. This is a complete disrespect of history,” the post read.

    “He uttered the ignorant dialogue ‘The Ming dynasty is going to end in 10 years’ during the Tianqi reign [which is historically incorrect as the Ming dynasty ended later],” it added.


    Donnie Yen in a still from Iceman: The Time Traveler.

    The article also complained that Yen did not help with promoting the film after shooting finished.

    “From filming to post-production and completion, Iceman: The Time Traveler is through-and-through Donnie Yen’s work. We kept making compromises in the hope that he, like he exercised full control over its production, would spare no efforts in cooperating with its promotion,” the post read.

    “However, his attitude did an about-turn after the film release date was set, and he used all kinds of reasons to delay his participation in promotional programmes … He said during public occasions that he will be doomed when the movie is out. In media interviews, he washed his hands of the film … What are the concepts of contractual obligation and professional ethics to him?”

    Iceman: The Time Traveler is the sequel to Iceman (2014), which also starred Yen in the lead role. It cost about 220 million yuan to make but took in only about 180 million yuan at the box office while scoring only 3.6 out of 10 on the Chinese movie-rating site Douban.

    The movie was made in 2013 … If he has committed the behaviour portrayed by the production company … why did they choose to make the accusations when the film is in the cinema?
    Letter from Donnie Yen’s legal team
    Set in the Ming dynasty, the first Iceman film follows the adventures of four brocade-clad imperial secret police being transported to the modern age. Its lacklustre performance was compounded by poor online reviews which said the movie’s plot was nonsensical and the performances by Chinese comedian Wang Baoqiang and female lead Eva Huang Shengyi were unimpressive.

    Yip and Wong, two veteran filmmakers from Hong Kong, were drafted for the sequel in an attempt to salvage the tainted reputation of the series. The blog post explained the rationale for making a sequel in spite of the lukewarm public response to the first.

    “When we invested in the first Iceman film … we made a big investment but the quality was not good. We had expected the [poor] results before its release. In order to recoup the losses and restore the company’s reputation, we used the best scriptwriter and director to make the second one. To ensure continuity, we also invited the same crew from the first one to participate,” it read.

    “Unexpectedly, the decision became the culprit for the present [hapless] situation [regarding the sequel]. As the scriptwriter for the Young and Dangerous film series, Manfred Wong’s scriptwriting standard is widely acknowledged. After the script for Iceman: The Time Traveler was finished, we were full of confidence … however, after Mr Yen came on board, everything became uncontrollable.”

    Nina Paw and Donnie Yen in a still from Iceman: The Time Traveler.

    Donnie Yen in a still from Iceman: The Time Traveler.

    Picking up where Iceman left off, the sequel sees the Ming dynasty hero played by Yen going back to that era and waging battles against villains in the imperial court and foreign invaders. It is rated 2.7 out of 10 on Douban.

    Yen’s legal letter said the production company shifted all responsibility for the sequel’s poor performance to him.

    “The movie was made in 2013. The parties involved had a smooth collaboration. For the past five years since the completion of the shooting, Mr Donnie Yen has never received any accusations regarding the movie. If he has committed the behaviour portrayed by the production company, why didn’t they raise the accusations [before] and why did they choose to make the accusations when the film is in the cinema?” the letter read.

    “He never took part in any editing work. [The Weibo post says that] he deleted scenes of various actors to highlight his status as the absolute main character and that the deletions led the film to run only 87 minutes with a scattershot plot … [This] is sheer fiction,” it added.

    The publicity generated by the war of words between the film’s production company and main actor failed to boost the sequel’s box office takings, with its takings during the second week of release well down on the already unimpressive first-week figures.

    THREADS
    First film: Iceman 冰封俠
    Sequel: Iceman: The Time Traveler 冰封侠:时空行者
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