grappling as your only training? not always the best idea

[shaolin_allan]

The whole thing is freaking ridiculous. Its just so laughable that we have this stupidity to this day. Because every grappler is an elite fighting phenom. God forbid there is a tarnish on that shiny gold badge people like to wear regardless of personal skill.

Thanks to Yoshiyahu and Lebaufist for still adding to this thread positively. Yes this thread has been over before, but most all the threads on here have. It's like coming up with an original movie idea these days. The reason why I made this thread is because the myth still exists and I still hear about it all the time so it's still worth discussing again.

[Yoshiyahu]

Thanks to Yoshiyahu and Lebaufist for still adding to this thread positively. Yes this thread has been over before, but most all the threads on here have. It's like coming up with an original movie idea these days. The reason why I made this thread is because the myth still exists and I still hear about it all the time so it's still worth discussing again.

i once was that guy who had Judo and Aikido only!!! Its not gonna work against a striker with out techniques that teach you how to deal with strikers....Thats why i like Wing Chun with in first few months you can see how to deal with a punch, a kick, a person who sticks and moves. Aikido and judo your a sitting duck waiting to get your head knocked off!!!

[Chadderz]

Thanks to Yoshiyahu and Lebaufist for still adding to this thread positively. Yes this thread has been over before, but most all the threads on here have. It's like coming up with an original movie idea these days. The reason why I made this thread is because the myth still exists and I still hear about it all the time so it's still worth discussing again.

Grapplers are far from invincible. Did somebody say otherwise?

[Yoshiyahu]

Grapplers are far from invincible. Did somebody say otherwise?

Yes they did!!!

[Chadderz]

Yes they did!!!

They lied! There are always better grapplers

[Yoshiyahu]

They lied! There are always better grapplers

i doubt it!

[William123]

http://www.bangstyle.com/2011/12/man...g-mma-fighter/

[Dragonzbane76]

i doubt it!

I doubt a lot of things but i dont doubt tried and tested.

[Kung_Who?]

A couple of vid's here of my old friend Chris Deer, the sparing and fight coach at a center opening in Cushing Oklahoma hopefully this month or first of next.

Grappling alone would not be sufficient against these attacks were they to take place on a hard street. Then again, striking alone would not yield the best of results either.


Quick and to the point
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awhyS...TH4rt5PzFkr85G

Submitted on this one but I still would not want to be on the receiving end of that slam or punches on the street with no mat or gear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8CwHrw0nS0

[Chadderz]

A couple of vid's here of my old friend Chris Deer, the sparing and fight coach at a center opening in Cushing Oklahoma hopefully this month or first of next.

Grappling alone would not be sufficient against these attacks were they to take place on a hard street. Then again, striking alone would not yield the best of results either.


Quick and to the point
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awhyS...TH4rt5PzFkr85G

Submitted on this one but I still would not want to be on the receiving end of that slam or punches on the street with no mat or gear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8CwHrw0nS0

Well of course the obvious solution is to be well rounded then, no? We came to that conclusion 10 years ago

[Kung_Who?]

Well of course the obvious solution is to be well rounded then, no? We came to that conclusion 10 years ago

LOL, Yes, we did (at least most of us)
I am and have always been of the opinion that a complete system will have all the elements of combat, after all, it is called a "Martial Art" for a reason, Yes?

[Neeros]

In friendly sparring how do you handle training with a grappler as a standup. Specifically have you found that the grappler is able to "admit defeat" per say without having to go for a knockout?

I ask because most grapplers train under the "quit when one taps out" mentality so there isn't much gray area as to who wins.

The only solution seems to be to have equal skills in both areas. Go figure.

[Kung_Who?]

In friendly sparring how do you handle training with a grappler as a standup. Specifically have you found that the grappler is able to "admit defeat" per say without having to go for a knockout?

I ask because most grapplers train under the "quit when one taps out" mentality so there isn't much gray area as to who wins.

The only solution seems to be to have equal skills in both areas. Go figure.

I am learning a lot about my chosen style from the cage fighting friend I posted the vid's of a few days ago. Together we have began a journey through a couple of Hung Gar forms, starting of course, with Lau Gar.
I have to admit, he is finding more grappling in that one form than I (or others I have trained with) had ever noticed in the system.
Why? Because we have lost that part of the traditional training somewhere over the last couple of generations. Sifu use to show us joint locks and breaks from time to time, even an arm bar, but we never really practiced them in sparing because we all just tended to do more of a standup game.

Who knew, cage fighters taking an old hung gar guy back to the basics, ,, ,

[Dragonzbane76]

Who knew, cage fighters taking an old hung gar guy back to the basics, ,,

all kinds of knowledge can be found from differing points of view. Never be closed minded to someone of differing backgrounds. They are the best to learn from and sometimes show you things you didn't see. a lot of Traditionalist tend to close out any others that come in with some kind of knowledge base. Sad but true.

[Neeros]

I am learning a lot about my chosen style from the cage fighting friend I posted the vid's of a few days ago. Together we have began a journey through a couple of Hung Gar forms, starting of course, with Lau Gar.
I have to admit, he is finding more grappling in that one form than I (or others I have trained with) had ever noticed in the system.
Why? Because we have lost that part of the traditional training somewhere over the last couple of generations. Sifu use to show us joint locks and breaks from time to time, even an arm bar, but we never really practiced them in sparing because we all just tended to do more of a standup game.

Who knew, cage fighters taking an old hung gar guy back to the basics, ,, ,

That is so awesome to hear!

I am so glad that in the system I am learning the basics are highly stressed. The basic syllabus starts out with stances, then moving in stances/footwork, then the fundamental 16 combat sequences. All together the 16 sequences cover the four modes of combat. Striking/Kicking/Felling/Qin-na.

Sequences 1-4 covers attack and defense of the 4 striking zones. Low/Middle/High/Side

Sequences 5-8 Expands on striking giving more options

Sequences 9-12 covers kicking attack and defense

and 13-16 covers felling and Qin-na attack and defense

By starting with Seq 1, then systematically adding more and more sequences in you can go from 1-2-3 step sparring to free sparring in a very short time.

The sequences are turned into forms after you understand them and all their applications. Later on the traditional forms are taught.