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    Let's see what kind of footword that we need. For linear footwork, we need:

    1. front leg 1/2 step - start from 3-7 stance, move your front leg into 4-6 stance. The purpose is to hide your intention and adjust your front foot at the right spot.
    2. back leg 1/2 step - start from bow-arrow stance, move your back leg into 3-7 stance. The purpose is to regain your better rooting.
    3. back leg 1 step - start from 4-6 stance, move your back leg behind your front leg, and end with side empty stance. The purpose is to land your rooting foot at the right spot.
    4. front leg 1 step - start from side empty stance (back leg touch front leg), move front leg out into 4-6 stance. The purpose is to use your front leg to attack.
    5. back leg 2 steps - start from 4-6 stance, move your back leg to pass your front lag and end with bow-arrow stance. the purpose is to gain maximum distance.

    There are other footworks such as long distance jump forward, and long distance jump backward. If we can link those footword into a pattern so we can train left and right daily, it won't take long to have good footwork.

    We will need a different set for circular footwork.
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 12-05-2011 at 06:29 PM.

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    so hard to explain compex foot work with words instead of showing. But if you have somethign specific I could give examples. if you know chinses they are various steeping patterns when attacking. they give you ditansce without movemtns shuffling without weight shift, close the opponent adn gain distance form your opponent, with ease
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    No problem. Just thought it would be more interesting for people if we had some examples at that level of detail. Like when we're teaching our students.

    I'll post one on seven star step when I get a chance. Something different from the usual hook/kick stance discussion. Getting some pics together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EarthDragon View Post
    -N-
    so hard to explain compex foot work with words instead of showing. But if you have somethign specific I could give examples.
    Ok, how about "What corrections do you find that students need when using ru huan bu in sparring?"

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    Ru Huan Bu — Encircling Step:
    If the enemy sees me use three-climbing hands he will defend himself and try to get away, I now use encircling step and two hands push into mountain pose to throw him.
    great question, for this the biggest part when learning is to advance forward enough to not allow your opponet to retreat back far enough so that you can still get the push then throw. I find you must cover some ground in the first couple steps of you will not have enough close power to push if you are just a little bit to far away, you must take thier center to complete the throw, hope this expalins your question
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    One of the things we point out to the students is that footwork should have recoil. We don't want them to kill their momentum with static postures.

    Sometimes you see people do seven star step.



    They just stand there like they learned individual positions in a set. They don't have explosiveness when initiating the footwork. They don't have sinking force to close the motion and generate power. They don't tap into recoil and rebound to make combination footwork. They don't use springy force when connecting with the opponent.

    In the first pic, you can see the step into circle entering stance is preceded by a transitional seven star step which has the same timing as kick in the second one.

    The step snaps out and sinks to grab the ground so that the rest of the footwork can snap forward and down.





    You can see the same snap sink motion in this pic. Notice how the left foot appears and disappears at the bottom of the pic.



    There is a relaxed explosive entry, followed by a momentary sink where the entire structure solidfies for a split second. There is a springy stick and press to pop the guy into the throw. And the pop rebounds forward into bow and arrow stance which also only appears as a split second transitional footwork.

    In having the students train footwork for closing the gap, we make them launch off the back leg while kicking out the forward foot into a very long seven star step. We have the student sink their center of gravity while their front heel lands so they can use the ground connection to accelerate the back leg forward. We make them recoil the sinking force into followup footwork so that they don't kill their momentum and stand there unable to move.

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    Cool The Master and his Student.

    Quote Originally Posted by -N- View Post
    One of the things we point out to the students is that footwork should have recoil. We don't want them to kill their momentum with static postures.

    Sometimes you see people do seven star step.



    They just stand there like they learned individual positions in a set. They don't have explosiveness when initiating the footwork. They don't have sinking force to close the motion and generate power. They don't tap into recoil and rebound to make combination footwork. They don't use springy force when connecting with the opponent.

    In the first pic, you can see the step into circle entering stance is preceded by a transitional seven star step which has the same timing as kick in the second one.

    The step snaps out and sinks to grab the ground so that the rest of the footwork can snap forward and down.





    You can see the same snap sink motion in this pic. Notice how the left foot appears and disappears at the bottom of the pic.



    There is a relaxed explosive entry, followed by a momentary sink where the entire structure solidfies for a split second. There is a springy stick and press to pop the guy into the throw. And the pop rebounds forward into bow and arrow stance which also only appears as a split second transitional footwork.

    In having the students train footwork for closing the gap, we make them launch off the back leg while kicking out the forward foot into a very long seven star step. We have the student sink their center of gravity while their front heel lands so they can use the ground connection to accelerate the back leg forward. We make them recoil the sinking force into followup footwork so that they don't kill their momentum and stand there unable to move.
    It's great to know that Grandmaster Wong Hon Fon was a handsOn Teacher,and Sifu Brendan Lai became a Great Mantis Technician. Wonderful Stuff. Thx. N. NM.

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    this technique/throw you call (Go) correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nubianmantis View Post
    It's great to know that Grandmaster Wong Hon Fon was a handsOn Teacher,and Sifu Brendan Lai became a Great Mantis Technician. Wonderful Stuff. Thx. N. NM.
    You're welcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by EarthDragon View Post
    -N-,
    this technique/throw you call (Go) correct?
    It's the one in the last pic. The waist chop, or yiu jom.

    One thing about waist chop is many times people don't go deep enough. They just connect with the ankle or lower leg. They also don't use energy in the connection. They just put the leg there as an obstacle.

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    interesting we have this in 8 step except its from the shuai jiao (go)
    tieing the arms as you sweep not chopping the waist,
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    Quote Originally Posted by EarthDragon View Post
    interesting we have this in 8 step except its from the shuai jiao (go)
    tieing the arms as you sweep not chopping the waist,
    For us, we don't actually sweep with the leg motion.

    We slip in, brushing lightly as possible. Then we use a short springy force against his locked up structure to break him loose and throw.

    Some people just go in and manhandle the person and yank him off balance to trip, but that's not our ideal approach.

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    gottcha suble differences, but same end result, and yes i agree a good throw requires minimal effort.
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