9-11 - Theory of Ghost Plane.

[Hardwork108]

Are you serious?

Yes, I am.

Hitler came into power in an occupied Germany. A Germany occupied by the winners of the First World War. They had Germany under their thumbs. That included the country's financial system - the banks. Punishment measures imposed on Germany resulted in extreme economic conditions, including hyper inflation.

Hitler rise happened in a desperate (for German people) economic/political. Hitler was not living in the Afghan mountains. He rose to power right under the noses of the Allies in an occupied Germany, that is, he was allowed to rise to power.

Nobody seemed to by aware of his "danger". The Western - US media included - gave him a lot of positive publicity, to start with.

Anyway, the story is too long, but if you are interested then look at the financial sources that made Hitler's economic miracle a reality, not to mention power the Nazi war machine (industry).

Also, research Germany's source for petroleum, without which there would have been no war machine to start with.

All I can say is that if you do real research, then you will not like the results, nor the implications.

That makes no sense.

Like everything else, it will make sense if you open your mind and look into the issue beyond what is superficially presented to us in "history" books, remembering that history is always written by the victors!

[Hardwork108]

And you know they were patsies....how?

Come on, you know, I know and even the sheep crapping all over the fields in the Afghan mountains know, that these characters had nothing whatsover to do with the real power behind the 9-11 tragedy!

THEY WERE PATSIES!!!

You've never had the privilege of meeting AQ or TB folks. I have. They are some of the sh(i)ttiest people you'll ever meet. They follow the Koran no more than Sandusky followed women.

So, if you are implying that they were not religious fanatics, and that they enjoyed the pleasures of life, including sex and alcohol, not to mention in the case of at least one of them, illegal narcotics, then explain to me what on earth would possess these pleasure loving, non-religious people to commit suicide.

Also, don't forget that this was not an isolated case as they were a dozen or so of these "unlikely" 'suicide' bombers - read: PATSIES!

Look Drake, the official 9-11 explanation of events has more holes than Swiss cheese. If you choose not to these holes because of your military indoctrination, then that is fine, but please respect the intelligence of the rest of us.

[David Jamieson]

I don't care much for the official explanation either. It is likely to conceal a lot of things for national security reasons obviously, but also, I doubt Hardwork has actually read the thing.

If you haven't, here, start reading, make your points from that instead of arguing from ignorance which is what you have been doing seeing as you are sourcing and citing incorrectly for the most part and likely never got trained in how to effectively research and opted for the youtube thing as you have shown to be doing.

so, read this: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/
That is the report, the whole thing, free of charge.
Dissect it and then come and point out those holes for us so we can see where you're coming from and continue from there.

NOBODY is going to be persuaded by anyone who's soul source appears to be youtube videos and college kids accounts of half remembered things they were not present for in any capacity of true understanding.

[Syn7]

I don't care much for the official explanation either. It is likely to conceal a lot of things for national security reasons obviously, but also, I doubt Hardwork has actually read the thing.

If you haven't, here, start reading, make your points from that instead of arguing from ignorance which is what you have been doing seeing as you are sourcing and citing incorrectly for the most part and likely never got trained in how to effectively research and opted for the youtube thing as you have shown to be doing.

so, read this: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/
That is the report, the whole thing, free of charge.
Dissect it and then come and point out those holes for us so we can see where you're coming from and continue from there.

NOBODY is going to be persuaded by anyone who's soul source appears to be youtube videos and college kids accounts of half remembered things they were not present for in any capacity of true understanding.

now i wouldnt call that report water tight by any means. but i doubt many casual readers will be able to find anything actionable. there isnt really any way to corroborate most of this stuff. people with more access than you or i have been shut down.

but i agree, something shady going on here. but im still pretty sure islamists ran planes into the tower. i just feel theres more to it than we were told. i dunno if i believe in the whole false flag theory or not, but it is plausible. and its been shown that the decision to go to the middle east was made before 9/11. all that was left was to sell it to the people. i just cant imagine any american allowing intel to slip thru the cracks that wouls kill 5000 people and knock down two of the most important towers in america. perspectives may be scewed and people may justify bad stuff to feel better about their own bullsh1t agendas, but i find it hard to believe that a working man wouldnt have blown the whistle if he was told to sit on the info. who here wouldnt go public with something like that even if it did mean their job and maybe even their lives?

but naw, all this hollywood swordfish conspiracy bullsh1t is getting outta hand.

[Drake]

Come on, you know, I know and even the sheep crapping all over the fields in the Afghan mountains know, that these characters had nothing whatsover to do with the real power behind the 9-11 tragedy!

THEY WERE PATSIES!!!



So, if you are implying that they were not religious fanatics, and that they enjoyed the pleasures of life, including sex and alcohol, not to mention in the case of at least one of them, illegal narcotics, then explain to me what on earth would possess these pleasure loving, non-religious people to commit suicide.

Also, don't forget that this was not an isolated case as they were a dozen or so of these "unlikely" 'suicide' bombers - read: PATSIES!

Look Drake, the official 9-11 explanation of events has more holes than Swiss cheese. If you choose not to these holes because of your military indoctrination, then that is fine, but please respect the intelligence of the rest of us.

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of you bragging about how "smart" you are for being suckered by a youtube video.

Ever meet a child who was indoctrinated to be a suicide bomber? I have, and it made me sick with what they told these children.

Grow up... adults are working over here trying to fix problems. You just shoot your mouth from an anonymous internet face. You've done nothing, you are afraid to actually come out and say anything as yourself, because you know you'll be laughed off. You just blather on on internet forums while the responsible people are out here making changes. You are, in a word... insignificant. Deal with it.

[Hardwork108]

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of you bragging about how "smart" you are for being suckered by a youtube video.

You got this all wrong, Drake. It is not about how smart I am, it is more about how smart some people who post in these forums, aren't!

Ever meet a child who was indoctrinated to be a suicide bomber? I have, and it made me sick with what they told these children.

Tell me Drake, did that child ever frequent strip clubs and drink alcohol? Was he he from a middle class Westernized family? Do you forsee, that a child like that would grow up to frequent strip clubs, drink alcohol and then all of a sudden, together with other strip club frequenting, alcohol drinking young men decide to take his life and that of thousands of other innocents?

Grow up... adults are working over here trying to fix problems.

Yes, I can see how you are fixing the problems. So far over a million innocent Iraqis and Afghans have been "liberated" from their physical bodies. I bet while sitting on the clouds in the heavens, some of these people had wished that the US had explained to them better about what she actually meant by "LIBERTATING" them! LOL!

On top of all these dead, you have the innocent US and her allies' soldiers, or should I say cannon fodder. All of this while secret political agendas are fulfilled and the owners of the arms companies are laughing all the way to the bank, which by the way, they also own.....LOL!

You just shoot your mouth from an anonymous internet face. You've done nothing, you are afraid to actually come out and say anything as yourself, because you know you'll be laughed off. You just blather on on internet forums while the responsible people are out here making changes. You are, in a word... insignificant. Deal with it.

Nobody who speaks the truth with a sincere heart is insignificant on this planet. In cases like this, the truth of the message is what counts!

[Hardwork108]

I don't care much for the official explanation either. It is likely to conceal a lot of things for national security reasons obviously, but also, I doubt Hardwork has actually read the thing.

If you haven't, here, start reading, make your points from that instead of arguing from ignorance which is what you have been doing seeing as you are sourcing and citing incorrectly for the most part and likely never got trained in how to effectively research and opted for the youtube thing as you have shown to be doing.

so, read this: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/
That is the report, the whole thing, free of charge.
Dissect it and then come and point out those holes for us so we can see where you're coming from and continue from there.

NOBODY is going to be persuaded by anyone who's soul source appears to be youtube videos and college kids accounts of half remembered things they were not present for in any capacity of true understanding.

A lot of the government version of the events has been seen on TV in OFFICIAL news reports and interviews.

There is plenty of info on official news reports to show the government version of the 9-11 events to be a big lie, and they will keep lying as long as there are people who are indoctrinated or with their heads in the sands.

"Yes, ladies and gentelmen we found Mr Abdul's passport in tact. It survived the fireball because those nasty Islamic terrorists are very crafty....."

With such a gullible population, I am surprised the government did not produce a live terrorist 9-11 crash survivor.....LOL! "Yes, ladies and gentlemen, one of the 'terrorists' survived the crash and has confessed to everything!"......LOL!

[rett]

Hitler came into power in an occupied Germany. A Germany occupied by the winners of the First World War.

Hitler won a democratic election. Sad but true. And the allies wanted to promote democracy in Germany. But suppose the allies had recognized the danger in 1933 and killed his ass, or sponsored a coup?
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Answer, the left would've gone berserk and even today would still be biatching at the US and England over "playing world police" in 1933.

[rett]

It is said that it was piloted by alcohol drinking, strip club frequenting, middle class, Western educated Arab kids, who were also suicidal Islamic fanatics.....LOL!

If you know anything about human nature you'll realize that terrorists are not fine, upstanding ethical people.

[David Jamieson]

A lot of the government version of the events has been seen on TV in OFFICIAL news reports and interviews.

Not really. Just read the thing already. I don't know why you are so resistant to that, it's right in front of you and if you're going to create enemies for yourself, you should probably know something more about them.

[mickey]

Greetings,

What is often overlooked in this matter is the hurt and anger that continues to this day regarding this incident. I get this vibe from the responses registered at u tube and by the posts by HW108. The people want closure NOW. Unfortunately, it may take a few generations for that to happen; especially, on this turf.

People still want the truth about JFK, Marilyn Monroe, Area 51, etc.

To address these people that in any way dishonors their stance only serves to reinforce their position. I am not saying we should ignore HW108. We should be more empathetic. For he is amongst many who want the truth. And this includes victims' families.

I am still waiting for the real deal on the King assassination and I am waiting for the footage of the Malcolm X assasination. I do not think those will happen for a LONG time.

As far a 911 goes, it was mentioned on the news broadcasts in the late nineties that there was a plot to use airplanes as missles to attack targets in the US. For that to be broadcast on Tv means it had to hit all other channels. So, the NTSA cannot say that they knew nothing of such a planned attack. The Clinton Administration knew this. All of a sudden, the Bush Administration knows nothing? I cannot point fingers, but there is something wrong with the flow of info.

mickey

[David Jamieson]

Mickey, I think you can explain something to someone 100 times in 100 different ways and if they fail to comprehend, there is simply nothing you can do about it.

HW108 seems to want to believe that the executive branch of the US government orchestrated and carried out the 9/11 attacks despite the fact that the threat was there for more than a decade before the event and that terrorists had made a previous attempt about 8 years earlier to blow up the building.

Not too mention the whole Taliban relations fiasco that occurred in and around that time period.

I don't buy that.

I think there was more incompetence and negligence at play than direction. The failure to scramble etc and the long term bureaucrats in the high positions of command (Cheney and Rumsfeld have been behind the scenes in government since the 70's!) and have never been demonstrably efficient or intelligent men in any way really in my opinion. Bush himself seemed to get stupider with each passing year of his presidency. He literally went from a fairly bright, well spoken governor of Texas to a babbling word creating moron within the first 3 months of his 2nd term.

Occams razor is worth considering.

[Hardwork108]

Hitler won a democratic election. Sad but true. And the allies wanted to promote democracy in Germany. But suppose the allies had recognized the danger in 1933 and killed his ass, or sponsored a coup?
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Answer, the left would've gone berserk and even today would still be biatching at the US and England over "playing world police" in 1933.

I don't think that the allies give two bits about any left winger's biatching about anything. Furthermore, the "left wing"/"right wing" paradigm is a false one. There is no such a thing. It is just a smoke screen two divide and rule. This thing is big, so if you don't look at it from an elevated vantage point you will just end up lost in a field of red herings and smoke screens.

Going back to Hitler. He came to power, built up Germany's military forces and arms industry. Then started his invasions and the allies were still not "aware"????

If they knew what he was, then why did they initially support him through their media?

Where did Germany get her oil supplies, needed for her military machine to function?

Where did she get her finances that were needed to build her military machine.

The answer lies much closer to home, than you would imagine, if you have not looked into this issue beyond the brushed up official (superficial) history.

Suffice to say, World War 2 was a planned event, involving on one side the OVERT fascists of Nazi Germany (and her allies) and on the other side the COVERT fascists, the Allies.

The object of the war was to traumatize the world enough for them to accept the creation of the UN as a "uniter" of nations and a "peace keeper", and we know how well job the UN has done in that regards. LOL!

The UN was the first step towards what was meant to become a World Government - read: The New World Order. Subsequently, other world bodies and international (political and economic) organizations have been formed to promote this, not to mention the formation of regional blocks such as the European Community, which started life, disguised as an "economic" entity.

Throughout history, human beings have been used as cannon fodder for the agendas of a very small, minority elite. I would suggest to you that most of the major conflicts have been engineered with specific agendas in mind.

[David Jamieson]

I don't think that the allies give two bits about any left winger's biatching about anything. Furthermore, the "left wing"/"right wing" paradigm is a false one. There is no such a thing. It is just a smoke screen two divide and rule. This thing is big, so if you don't look at it from an elevated vantage point you will just end up lost in a field of red herings and smoke screens.

Going back to Hitler. He came to power, built up Germany's military forces and arms industry. Then started his invasions and the allies were still not "aware"????

If they knew what he was, then why did they initially support him through their media?

Where did Germany get her oil supplies, needed for her military machine to function?

Where did she get her finances that were needed to build her military machine.

The answer lies much closer to home, than you would imagine, if you have not looked into this issue beyond the brushed up official (superficial) history.

Suffice to say, World War 2 was a planned event, involving on one side the OVERT fascists of Nazi Germany (and her allies) and on the other side the COVERT fascists, the Allies.

The object of the war was to traumatize the world enough for them to accept the creation of the UN as a "uniter" of nations and a "peace keeper", and we know how well job the UN has done in that regards. LOL!

The UN was the first step towards what was meant to become a World Government - read: The New World Order. Subsequently, other world bodies and international (political and economic) organizations have been formed to promote this, not to mention the formation of regional blocks such as the European Community, which started life, disguised as an "economic" entity.

Throughout history, human beings have been used as cannon fodder for the agendas of a very small, minority elite. I would suggest to you that most of the major conflicts have been engineered with specific agendas in mind.

Again, dude, you are making empty and untrue accusations that you have garnered from ...who knows where.

read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany
It's pretty accurate and will help you understand what happened after black monday in 1929 and exactly how Hitler rose to power and how he manipulated statistics and government programs to have it appear that they were far more successful than the actually were.

For instance, to drop the unemployment numbers, he simply removed women from workforce roles, forbade employment to certain segments (jews, gays, gypsies, foreigners etc). He got rid of the Weimar government easily because the people hated it for bending to the post WW1 demands and implemented a national infrastructure program.

He didn't get loans or financed in any special way, he manipulated statistics and enslaved a portion of the population.

Did you not watch Schindlers list at all? Do you not read history?

COME ON MAN! you're losing it with this stuff now and just digging the hole deeper and deeper, soon you will be able to hear and see nothing you'll be so far down in it.

[Hardwork108]

Mickey, I think you can explain something to someone 100 times in 100 different ways and if they fail to comprehend, there is simply nothing you can do about it.

Right back at you. You should perhaps consider that I might be right and you might be wrong? In this great universe, isn't that a possibility?

HW108 seems to want to believe that the executive branch of the US government orchestrated and carried out the 9/11 attacks despite the fact that the threat was there for more than a decade before the event and that terrorists had made a previous attempt about 8 years earlier to blow up the building.

You mean the bomb that was placed in the WTC parking lot? The one constructed by an FBI asset?

I suggest that you look into that very incident in a more profound manner, as well.

Not too mention the whole Taliban relations fiasco that occurred in and around that time period.

Isn't it amazing on how the US (and in some cases her allies) train fund, international "bad boys", then suddenly the relationship turns sour, and the "bad boys" turn into, ruthless dictators, "terrorists", "drug runners"? LOL! For examples, see - Saddam Hussain, Bin Ladin, General Noriega, the Shah of Iran (with more brains and decency in his little finger than the last 5 US Presidents put together), etc.

I think there was more incompetence and negligence at play than direction.

The "we were incompetent and negligent" defense, wether implied or admitted to directly is just a smoke screen to hide planned conspirations.

The failure to scramble etc

The failure to scramble was a PLANNED failure. Look man, we are talking about the most protected airspace on the face of the planet. You guys just gubble up the usual "we made a mistake" excuse, because your minds refuse to believe that our leaders are psychopaths and are controlled by equally psychopatic elite.

It is almost like religion with some of you guys, as in, "god would never cause earthquakes to kill humans, because he loves us all, but if an earthquake did happen, then there must be a good reason for it, lets ask our local priest" - as in lets see what our official political sources say about these incredible terrorist attacks and threats. So in short, you are asking the fox that is guarding the hen house, about who may have eaten the hens.....LOL

and the long term bureaucrats in the high positions of command (Cheney and Rumsfeld have been behind the scenes in government since the 70's!) and have never been demonstrably efficient or intelligent men in any way really in my opinion.

They are intelligent alright, except that they are where they are because their intelligence serves their masters and not the population. So yes, they are intelligent, but also psychopathic yes men.

Bush himself seemed to get stupider with each passing year of his presidency. He literally went from a fairly bright, well spoken governor of Texas to a babbling word creating moron within the first 3 months of his 2nd term.

I don't think that there has been an intelligent US President since Kennedy, and look what they did to him.