Eagle Claw schools

[Jade Mountain Eagle]

anyone can reply to this but I have a big concern and a bit of disapointment...

I'm an eagle claw practioner. I have this thing that boils inside me everytime I read an article on Lily Lau. The articles always make it sound like Lily Lau inherited the complete Eagle Claw system when this is not true. My sigung Grandmaster Shum Leung is the only Eagle Claw teacher allowed by the Jin Mo Association in Hong Kong to teach Eagle Claw kung fu; the complete system which includes the 108 Locks. Lily Lau's schools only know 72. I mean how can she be a grandmaster when her father, Lau Fat Mang, died when she was 14? My sigung was already 36 and new the complete set by then. His sigung was Lau Fat Mang...in other words, I just don't like the fact that the Lau clan does not acknowldge the fact my sigung has been teaching Eagle Claw way before the learned the Power Fist Form. I know I sound like I'm boasting that my school is better than theirs, which I'm not, but I just need to get this bit of frustration off my chest. I have only seen one article on sigung in an old Inside Kung Fu magazine....how about Kung Fu Qigong give my sigung some credit and look into his history. anyone give me a holler, and please don't take my post as disrespect to Lau's school's. As long as we both came from the root, we are family.
Peace :mad:

[SanHeChuan]

Ok...,
you would happen to know of any norther eagle claw schools in texas?

"Civilize the mind but make savage the body"

[Julian Dale]

One of Master Gini Lau's students has a school in Texas, dont know the details of it but you could try going to Master Gini Lau and asking

[Wong Ying Home]

Firstly, I think you need to sit back and chill.

If you dont think there is enough information about Master Leung Shum, don't whine about it here. Get articles on your teacher printed. Problem solved !

Second after only ONE YEAR of eagle claw training your are presuming to know more about eagle claw than the Lau family or your own teacher. You need to take a reality check here !

Thirdly the Lau family are entitled by blood line and birth right to call themselves Grandmasters

Fouthly have you asked GRANDMASTER Lili Lau what she knows and what she does not know, I doubt it, have you spoken to your Master Leung Shum and compared his direct statements? I doubt it

The late Great Grandmaster Lau Fat Mang set up the Hong Kong Jing Mo school, Grandmaster Lili Lau taught there for years, again facts...get them

Respect your elders...or at least learn what that means as you currently are not..you do not carry enough experince or position to question other peoples skill.

Your just a troll, come back in ten years or so when you know what your talking about and can make informed statements....hey I don't even learn under Grandmaster Lili Lau and I know this muc

[jacob360]

Are you studying at Shan Tung Kung Fu Association?

PEACE

[handsome]

Lily Lau is a very boring person, whenever she gets a chance to advertise herself, she always speak of her father like no one else in the eagle claws system, her father Lau Fat-Meng was just one of student of Grandmaster Chan Gee-Ching, Chan himself was called the King of Eagle Claws, not LiLy Lau's father, her father was just a student of Chan , no more , no less, but LiLy Lau likes public to think she inherited the whole system and no one else has...which is a falsed statement and unfair to many other eagle claws masters... It's about time for other eagle claws masters to speak up and show the world what's the real eagle claws system all about... LiLy Lau is just a member of the system...no more...no less...

[Julian Dale]

Lau Fat Mang was not a student of Chan Chi Ching he was his younger classmate, they both learned from LFM's uncle.

Is anyone who promotes their art or system now boring? A bit of an unfair statment.

I do however agree that there are more than one person teaching eagle claw.

Again if people want to promote their art, fine good luck to them. If other dont wish to do it through the mainstream media that fine as well.

[handsome]

Just maybe its the right time for all eagle claws practioners to learn more about Chan Gee-Ching instead of Lily Lau and her father LFM, she has been talking about herself and her father all her life...its time to move on...she is just too boring!!! please let the world to know the real grangmaster and the king of eagle claws is Chan Gee-Ching, he should have deserved more respect and recognition instead the father and daughter, LFM and Lily Lau... ;) hopefully, one day soon eagle claws can be more popular like choy lat fut, tai chi, wing chun...etc, instead of just a small number people campare to the rest of kung fu community!!!!!!!!!!!! just my 2 cents

[Julian Dale]

Argueably the only real Grandmasters of Eagle claw are those living.

Again Handsmoe you failed to note that LFM was not CCC student by classmate.

Does not each student work to promote thier teacher, in Honk Kong and China I have spoken to a number of people who promote CCH as the top man and others who promote LFM, horses for courses.

At the end of the day if your not alive you can not be something other than dead. Titles or not

Queen victoria of England is dead ..is she still the queen of England..no !!

[Julian Dale]

Argueably the only real Grandmasters of Eagle claw are those living.

Again Handsmoe you failed to note that LFM was not CCC student but classmate.

Does not each student work to promote thier teacher, in Honk Kong and China I have spoken to a number of people who promote CCH as the top man and others who promote LFM, horses for courses.

At the end of the day if your not alive you can not be something other than dead. Titles or not

Queen victoria of England is dead ..is she still the queen of England..no !!

[handsome]

Let's move on...there're many eagle claw masters like Shum Leung and few others, all look up to the KING of eagle claws **** CHAN GEE-CHING **** ,
let's forget all this non-sense politics about who is the grandmaster of eagle claws... in fact... there should be none except the mighty * CHAN himself * For a true MA, one should pay more attention to one's skill and the art rather than spend all this valueable time to politic and self promotion... just a thought, no disrespect to anyone!!! Ciao Ciao

[Julian Dale]

Being an eagle claw practioner yourself you would be well versed in the reputations of each master living and dead, both in Hong Kong, China and the West

Chan was one Grandmaster, as was Lau Fat Mang. Argueably the eagle claw Grandmaster was Lau Si Chun above all others.

Nobody can disupute the skill of either of these men, they were 100% better than you or I will be in two lifetimes.

Is even Leung Shum the legitimate Grandmaster??

At the end of the day who cares, if the stuff is good and works, titles don't mean much if your not the last man standing do they !

This is simply talking in circles

[handsome]

Chan Gee-Ching was called the * KING * of eagle claw from the MA world and he's well deserved by all means. Most of the EC practioners all look up to him and show deep respect...to the king.

If you werent happy about Shum Leung 's being called the grandmaster of eagle claw??? So do many people arent happy about Lily Lau's self promote herself like no one else in the EC system, that's the problem , Lily Lau likes public to think she 's the only grandmaster, but in reality...there's no such title or things called grandmaster in kung fu, this is only happened in the west, in kung fu we addresses everybody the term " SIFU " or " SIGUNG " OR "SIJO". Sifu to students, Sigung to grandstudents and Sijo to the whole clan as the frist leader who created the system. Now, Is this * fair * for you to down grade Shum Leung and to k*ss someone else a**???

So why couldnt we forget about such crap like grandmaster??? Once again under the name of Chan Gee-Ching to promote the eagle claw. Eagle Claw is about Eagle Claw, not the name of anyone who likes grandmaster * herself * and made all other grandmaster look like a second banana. If Lily Lau thinks she is the grandmaster??? So does Shum Leung and many others think they could be the grandmasters too. So what's the big deal about being called the grandmaster???...Is this something more important than the art of EC???

[Julian Dale]

I think you need to learn to read statements correctly.

You are rapidly sounding like the person you most criticise, someone who shouts a lot about one person.

Secondly the point of Leung Shum you have twisted to a point of insult. it was a comparison !

I have no further intention of continuing trolling conversation with you, as you have nothing new to say or constructive conversation bar your single point of view.

End

[Netfist]

i agree with maxican eagle and handsome's view. there are too many self claimed grandmasters in the world, master shum leung is well respected by the MA world long before lily lau in u.s.a

the king of eagle claw was master chan zhi ching,
even chan himself never claimed as grandmaster of eagle claw, then who's this lily lau called herself grandmaster of eagle claw and let her students here to talk down and insult master shum leung and others, which was getting a little too much for self promoting. imo

jfk was a us president and his son was not, lau fat meng was lau fat meng, lily lau is lily lau, shum leung is shum leung, they are just sifus to their own students to their own right. lily lau definetly is no better than shum leung or any other sifus in the eagle claw system. in fact,
maxican eagle already pointed out shum leung started to teach eagle claw system when he was 36 , comparing to lily lau was a beginner at the age 14 in the eagle claw system , so i think master shum leung should deserve some respect even from lily lau's students.

Netfist