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    ... with more for profit prisons on the way!!!!!! Hurray. Hurray.


    Some one must be expecting trouble. For things to get worse.

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    Because those in prison clearly did not break the law, and clearly were not given the right to a trial, right?
    The weakest of all weak things is a virtue that has not been tested in the fire.
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    Ha ha, this is funny. Extremism against extremism. You guys kill me. Serious delusions on both sides.

    It's a fact we do have more of our people either incarcerated or in "the system" in some way. And they (most) were found guilty of violating corporate law (crimes against the system) in accordance with corporate procedures (UCC, Admiralty, Corporate, definitely something other than Constitutional Law).

    I always liked the one where we went halfway around the world to fight Communism in Vietnam but tolerate Communism a few miles off the shore of Florida.

    We "save" the people from "dictators" of oil rich countries but ignore the oppression in resource poor countries.

    Was Gaddaffi killed because he was a dictator, opposed the US intervention or because he was introducing the gold dinar that was not controlled by the western banking elite? If you aren't onboard the IMF you're toast.

    Our military is the muscle for the same people collapsing our economy. Is God (Jesus) going to appear and make the faithful disapear before the riots start?

    Can you pray your way out of a FEMA detention camp? Maybe our soldiers will all come home and save us when the general population realizes we no longer live in a Constitutional Republic. You know, the one they swore an oath to defend.

    Too funny!
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    Sorry, sometimes I forget you guys have that special secret internal sauce where people throw themselves and you don't have to do anything except collect tuition.

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    Hmm................it is interesting that many people view others as extreme, yet don't view themselves as extreme.

    It is always the other guy who is extreme, not ourselves!

    Something to think about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    I was working, dude. You should try it sometime. Oh, and I tend to sleep when you guys are awake. This clever thing called time zones, with me being halfway across the world, might cause a small shift in things.
    Halfway across the world? For someone who lives in Afghanistan you're strangely unfamiliar with Central Asian geography. We're practically in the same time zone. I just checked. Only 3 1/2 hours difference. But, in any case, I was actually referring to the fact that you said you had me on ignore. Not the lack of posts.

    You are ranting and raving, and then accusing me of not engaging in rationale debate. That's the beauty of ignorance, right there... utterly convinced you are right, despite glaringly obvious facts.
    Well I'm still waiting for you to even refer to anything I have posted on topic. So far just a bunch of wild off-topic rants on the necessity of war and why I should be kissing your a$$ because you think you are out there saving mine.

    You DO know what happened to those who spoke out like this against the Nazi regime, right? Or those who today in North Korea speak out against their government. Or those in China who do the same. How about Myanmar?
    You have not drawn any connection whatsoever between those areas and Afghanistan. And this is why I say you are just ranting.
    BUT, if you want to be a GROWNUP and drop your juvenile insults, why don't you start with explaining to me how war is unnecessary in the face of historical threats like Germany, Japan, Italy, Al Qaeda, and communist expansion?
    Why should I? How is that relevant to anything I have said on this thread?

    The fact that you even ask this question is just another piece of evidence that you are not reading anything I have posted and are just responding to your own fantasies. "Germany, Japan, Italy, Al Qaeda, and communist expansion", of the 5 threats you named, only one of them is being discussed on this thread. So like the sesame street song says, "One of these things is not like the others...." If you can stick the topic of the thread or, even better, stick to commenting on my actual posting content rather than your preconceived notions of what I am saying, then the tone of my posts will change considerably. Otherwise, go ahead, try to pick out spelling errors...like that's soooo relevant.

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    re: the one time you actually commented on something I really did write,

    I took your suggestion and looked it up. "non-sequeter" is not a spelling error. Technically it's a grammatical error which would explain why my browser's spell check didn't catch it. When used as an adjective it is, indeed, hyphenated. It's only he noun usage that isn't.
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    Drake,

    Italy was never a military threat, Mussolini had been "inspirational" to Hitler but never a real military threat outside the Italian borders; the only place we went was a sand box empty of everything....

    As per the communism as a threat, I do not recall written anywhere that some communist Country waged war against others for occupation and conversion, revolutions yes,.. real wars? I do not think so.

    Vietnam is still communist and seems that the American help for freedom didn't do much and North Korea is still communist too.

    I think that the western world is really selective on which Countries should be the lucky ones to be "saved" and given a better opportunity; I just feel the prevailing propaganda of the west to be disgustingly Hypocritical.

    Despite me having completely different takes then you on what's going on I still wish you the best over there, to be as safe as you can be and return to your beloved ones as soon as possible.

    Ciao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown View Post
    A couple of things would be helpful, familiarize yourself a bit more with the biography of Takuan, the principles of Zen/Ch'an, and also read the family writings and history of the Yagyu Clan.
    I was Zen monk 8 years ago, but mostly with Vietnamese and Chinese traditions, my interest in Japanese Zen has come about in the past few years. I will definitely have to look at Takuan's bio, and the history of Yagyu clan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fa Xing View Post
    I was Zen monk 8 years ago, but mostly with Vietnamese and Chinese traditions, my interest in Japanese Zen has come about in the past few years. I will definitely have to look at Takuan's bio, and the history of Yagyu clan.
    Good thinking. Takuan's comment is found within a letter he wrote to one of the Yagyus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gru Bianca View Post
    Drake,

    Italy was never a military threat, Mussolini had been "inspirational" to Hitler but never a real military threat outside the Italian borders; the only place we went was a sand box empty of everything....

    As per the communism as a threat, I do not recall written anywhere that some communist Country waged war against others for occupation and conversion, revolutions yes,.. real wars? I do not think so.

    Vietnam is still communist and seems that the American help for freedom didn't do much and North Korea is still communist too.

    I think that the western world is really selective on which Countries should be the lucky ones to be "saved" and given a better opportunity; I just feel the prevailing propaganda of the west to be disgustingly Hypocritical.

    Despite me having completely different takes then you on what's going on I still wish you the best over there, to be as safe as you can be and return to your beloved ones as soon as possible.

    Ciao
    Gru,
    I'll give you that communist expansion, while a threat, was an exagerrated threat, and that Vietnam was an utter fiasco that didn't solve as many problems it created. I think this is because communism did shift from expansion to more of a protective model in the end, thus blurring the reality of things.
    And yes, there are those who think communism may be the answer, but I recall my mother once telling me that communism relies on perfect people in a world of imperfect ones. I'm also of the mind that democracy, if abused, isn't terribly different, as people tend to fall for campaign promises and excitement fairly easily.
    As for my inclusion of Italy, I had already used Germany and Japan... why leave the third out?
    My overall point is that without either a strong military, or a strong nation willing to have your back, you will be overrun by other nations. It's safe to say that NK would happily absorb SK if the ROK Army and US forces there (who may not be needed anymore, given the capabilities of the ROK Army) decide to throw down their arms. And we've already seen that AQ is actively planning to attack targets throughout the world, and several have already been stopped. Somehow, and I think it's my fault, that we shifted from that to the virtues of democracy versus communism. That might make a nifty new thread.
    The weakest of all weak things is a virtue that has not been tested in the fire.
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    Everyone has a plan until they’ve been hit.
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    A warrior may choose pacifism; others are condemned to it.
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    You will find few people who have lived in Communist countries who prefer communism to capitalism. I knew a Polish defector when I was in high school, he told me about the underground economy. Basically the only thing that keeps people going is an underground capitalistic black market. In order to live he used company time and company tools and company materials (read: government) to make furniture which he traded on the black market in order to get basic necessities. He said If you need your toilet fixed you can't go to the store to buy what you need. You needed to have something to trade.

    Communism does not work well because it goes against Tao, against basic human nature. That basic human nature was expressed in the black market, which is always capitalist.

    Humans will always default to their basic human nature unless forced to conform to a human, contrived and false ideal.
    Last edited by Scott R. Brown; 01-02-2012 at 08:12 PM.

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    Drake,

    I well take your points, I have never said communism was the answer, I was just pointing out that communism has never been a real threat to others if not for the hyped propaganda of the USA during the cold era.
    I have to confess though that coming from a family of active partisans (during the WWII) I surely do not stand on the "right" side of the fence so to speak and fascism doesn't sit well at our table.

    On the other hand I do believe (personal belief) that the capitalism as it is lived now days also isn't the answer, as humans are imperfect and in nature extremely greedy hence I do not see what good could come from enhancing and supporting the nurture of personal greed.

    From the way I see it, us, living in "democracy" are not really that better off then let's say less democratic countries like China for example. The main difference being that we are led to believe we can voice out our opinions and that our opinions do really counts whereas in China not so much, other then that,....what's the real difference??? I guess in China on that sense there is much less hypocrisy then in the West.

    In Europe a new currency was implemented but no government within Europe did ask the opinion of the people; many treaties are implemented daily (the Lisbon Treaty comes to mind) without asking the people's consent and/or opinion...is that democracy? Not as I intend it, no it isn't.

    Things are imposed and we are made to believe are for our own good, not really a democratic process in my view.

    Military forces are a necessity of each country as a tool of self protection and if professionals even better, however, history teaches us that in case of need even civilians do know how to defend their lands, (partisan comes to mind).

    Any way, just my rant.

    Be safe and if you have chance, just give an hand shake to my Country's service personnel that are over there alongside you in the fulfillment of their chosen job.
    They are not fighting for me they are not but they are still human beings and fellow Country men and wish them to be well and safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown View Post
    Communism does not work well because it goes against Tao, against basic human nature. That basic human nature was expressed in the black market, which is always capitalist.

    Humans will always default to their basic human nature unless forced to conform to a human, contrived and false ideal.
    Arguably capitalism is an ideal just as contrived and arbitrary as communism. There are aspects of communism/socialism that are reflected in nature (cooperation), in fact the entirety of human prehistory is dominated by a tribal social structure.

    In the real world there is no such thing as pure capitalism or pure socialism. They are just ideological labels that are perpetuated to divide people along inconsequential manufactured controversies.

    Democracy is flawed, the political gridlock and campaign finance system of today's United States is evidence enough of that. Democracy does not default to capitalism anymore than a totalitarian police state precludes capitalism. Take care not to conflate politics and economics; capitalism is an economic label not a political one.

    It is an oversimplification to only think about political, economic and social systems as only two dimensional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wenshu View Post
    Arguably capitalism is an ideal just as contrived and arbitrary as communism. There are aspects of communism/socialism that are reflected in nature (cooperation), in fact the entirety of human prehistory is dominated by a tribal social structure.

    In the real world there is no such thing as pure capitalism or pure socialism. They are just ideological labels that are perpetuated to divide people along inconsequential manufactured controversies.

    Democracy is flawed, the political gridlock and campaign finance system of today's United States is evidence enough of that. Democracy does not default to capitalism anymore than a totalitarian police state precludes capitalism. Take care not to conflate politics and economics; capitalism is an economic label not a political one.

    It is an oversimplification to only think about political, economic and social systems as only two dimensional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    Because those in prison clearly did not break the law, and clearly were not given the right to a trial, right?
    Laws change.

    There was a day when you could go to jail for having a beer. In some states you can have medical marijuana, in others, they'll jail you.

    If you tease someone and they kill themselves you can be held responsible. Accidentally kill a civilian in Afghanistan and its collateral damage, not man slaughter.

    Laws of man are weird.

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    If the markets were capitalistic, all these banks would have failed. Gone out of business for being inefficient.

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