Satanic Boxing

[David Jamieson]

communisim doesn't equate to co-operation. Nor does socialism.

Socialism is a period in between that prepares for communism.

Communism's principle ideal is: "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs" This is a form of indentured slavery yoked upon the people who actually do aspire to make something of themselves.

So, think about how dumb the average person is, now consider that at least half all the people are dumber than that, then read Atlas Shrugged and you get a strong understanding of where John Galt is coming from.

Communism creates resentment because there will be FEW with the actual ability to give and MANY who only hold their hand out constantly. It is that way now! Even with a capitalist system, there are elements that rely on the rest of us to take care of them despite the fact they can bloody well take care of themselves.

Oh, just as an aside, I see the value of socialism or aspects of it within a functioning capitalists system. IE: the common good. But communism? Nope X infinity. A ridiculous form of government that has been proven to be nothing but a road to massive failure.

[Drake]

Arguably capitalism is an ideal just as contrived and arbitrary as communism. There are aspects of communism/socialism that are reflected in nature (cooperation), in fact the entirety of human prehistory is dominated by a tribal social structure.

In the real world there is no such thing as pure capitalism or pure socialism. They are just ideological labels that are perpetuated to divide people along inconsequential manufactured controversies.

Democracy is flawed, the political gridlock and campaign finance system of today's United States is evidence enough of that. Democracy does not default to capitalism anymore than a totalitarian police state precludes capitalism. Take care not to conflate politics and economics; capitalism is an economic label not a political one.

It is an oversimplification to only think about political, economic and social systems as only two dimensional.

So, are we suffering the results of flawed humans, which indicates that due to our flawed nature, NO system will ever truly be effective? Is there a good match for us in terms of our inherent greed and opportunistic nature?

[David Jamieson]

So, are we suffering the results of flawed humans, which indicates that due to our flawed nature, NO system will ever truly be effective? Is there a good match for us in terms of our inherent greed and opportunistic nature?

A blend of Capitalism and Socialism to offset any imbalance, or basically, where the entire developed Western world is kind of at right now. That's the system that needs to be tweaked and brought in everywhere else.

Once we can introduce the idea of trade unions and benefits to Chinese and Indian workers, we can expect to get some manufacturing jobs back.

[wenshu]

So, are we suffering the results of flawed humans, which indicates that due to our flawed nature, NO system will ever truly be effective? Is there a good match for us in terms of our inherent greed and opportunistic nature?

Perhaps if society became conscious of the fact that things labeled as bad (oppression, violence, greed, glutinous consumption) are necessary and inextricable facets of existence we could begin to reevaluate what it means for a system to be effective.

Violence, oppression and greed have always existed in nature, the labels we place upon them and the consequent value judgments are relatively recent inventions. Arguments about economic, political and social systems between two oversimplified black and white linear extremes always begin from the presumption that the uncomfortable aspects of our existence are evil and need be abolished for the greater good.

Ideally we need to discard this outdated black and white thinking and start making attempts to redefine the systems we live by. I think in some ways this is beginning to happen naturally by virtue of the acceleration of digital means of communication.

[goju]

communisim doesn't equate to co-operation. Nor does socialism.

Socialism is a period in between that prepares for communism.

Communism's principle ideal is: "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs" This is a form of indentured slavery yoked upon the people who actually do aspire to make something of themselves.

So, think about how dumb the average person is, now consider that at least half all the people are dumber than that, then read Atlas Shrugged and you get a strong understanding of where John Galt is coming from.

Communism creates resentment because there will be FEW with the actual ability to give and MANY who only hold their hand out constantly. It is that way now! Even with a capitalist system, there are elements that rely on the rest of us to take care of them despite the fact they can bloody well take care of themselves.

Oh, just as an aside, I see the value of socialism or aspects of it within a functioning capitalists system. IE: the common good. But communism? Nope X infinity. A ridiculous form of government that has been proven to be nothing but a road to massive failure.

This was beautiful

[Drake]

A blend of Capitalism and Socialism to offset any imbalance, or basically, where the entire developed Western world is kind of at right now. That's the system that needs to be tweaked and brought in everywhere else.

Once we can introduce the idea of trade unions and benefits to Chinese and Indian workers, we can expect to get some manufacturing jobs back.

If we screw up both systems, we aren't actually balancing anything, are we?

[wenshu]

So, think about how dumb the average person is, now consider that at least half all the people are dumber than that, then read Atlas Shrugged and you get a strong understanding of where John Galt is coming from.

I never realized you were so enamored of Randian rape fantasies. At least you have the good taste to steal jokes from George Carlin.

[David Jamieson]

I never realized you were so enamored of Randian rape fantasies. At least you have the good taste to steal jokes from George Carlin.

I was comedically breast fed on the Carlin teat.

I make a correlation between communism and it's faults through a loose link to Rand and I am enamored?
It is perfectly fine to draw upon any and all resources you have encountered to make comparison or to drive a point.

My point is in regards to what I feel is a worthless political model also known as communism.

[Ray Pina]

Communism, socialism and capitalist societies are all the same. I've spent time in all three.... you have the political leading and military class, you have the manufacturer bosses and then you have all the people that work for them.

The few rule the many.

[David Jamieson]

Communism, socialism and capitalist societies are all the same. I've spent time in all three.... you have the political leading and military class, you have the manufacturer bosses and then you have all the people that work for them.

The few rule the many.

The same eh? no they ain't. lol.
Gotta strongly disagree with you. The only thing they have in common is that they are political constructs and economic models and people are involved.

They are all VERY different when it gets right down to the man on the street and what his prospects are.

Communism: "From each according to ability, to each according to need"

Socialism: "Distribution of wealth in an amicable way regardless of what effort was made by whom."

Capitalism: " To each according to their ability"

[wenshu]

The same eh? no they ain't. lol.
Gotta strongly disagree with you. The only thing they have in common is that they are political constructs and economic models and people are involved.

They are all VERY different when it gets right down to the man on the street and what his prospects are.

Communism: "From each according to ability, to each according to need"

Socialism: "Distribution of wealth in an amicable way regardless of what effort was made by whom."

Capitalism: " To each according to their ability"

Socialism and Capitalism are economic models.

Communism is a combination of economic and political models the goal of which is a completely egalitarian, classless society.

[Drake]

Flash: You mean slaves?

Ming the Merciless: Let's just say... they'll be satisfied with less...

[Gru Bianca]

The same eh? no they ain't. lol.
Gotta strongly disagree with you. The only thing they have in common is that they are political constructs and economic models and people are involved.

They are all VERY different when it gets right down to the man on the street and what his prospects are.

Communism: "From each according to ability, to each according to need"

Socialism: "Distribution of wealth in an amicable way regardless of what effort was made by whom."

Capitalism: " To each according to their ability.....to steal and manipulate the law and environment to their use and consume as to fulfil personal greed and dishonesty at the expense of those less reckless and with a conscious "

Oh, perhaps you've omitted something about capitalism..

[David Jamieson]

Gru- You assume that capitalism is inherently evil in nature. It's not. that would be people and to be blunt, not all people are evil. By the way, do you hold any sort of an investment portfolio? Because that would make you evil by proxy of the actions of whatever company you have money invested in that is causing disaster. You drive a car? Make the connection that YOU use gas and oil and YOU want it for cheap. There are ramifications to everything and nothing is really disconnected in a system.

Wolfen- Flubberbustling is not a valid form of argumentation.

[Gru Bianca]

Gru- You assume that capitalism is inherently evil in nature. It's not. that would be people and to be blunt, not all people are evil. By the way, do you hold any sort of an investment portfolio? Because that would make you evil by proxy of the actions of whatever company you have money invested in that is causing disaster. You drive a car? Make the connection that YOU use gas and oil and YOU want it for cheap. There are ramifications to everything and nothing is really disconnected in a system.

Wolfen- Flubberbustling is not a valid form of argumentation.

i do not assume, it is in my view and being it an economic model envisioned and brought along by greedy people designed to leverage on human weaknesses can,t be a good thing. i reiterate I like the guy, his take on things and his way to put it down.
i do not own a portfolio as I do not trust that sort of "game".
for the rest I am not a monk yet so I reckon that I have to play ball but within my rules as much as I little can