Satanic Boxing

[David Jamieson]

You're free to have a point of view of course. I would take free market capitalism over virtually every other economic model because it is actually the fairest in my opinion.

People are the factor that cause problems. The system isn't greedy, individuals are and not all of them certainly.

There's greed in socialist systems, communist systems, you name it and the human condition makes itself apparent despite any forms of control we place on our comings and goings.

It all comes down to you as the individual and the decisions you make along your life path.

If you put your key to happiness in someone else's pocket, you've screwed yourself basically. In other words, make yourself upright, it's all you can really do when it comes right down to it. there's no guarantees with anything else in life.

[Ray Pina]

As a journalist, regardless if its America, Russia, China, Sweden, Germany, Belgium, down here in PR..... I get picked up at the airport in a limo buy a worker driver, taken to a very fancy hotel (in CHina, it's government owned, or partially government owned).

The next day, when driving to a factory or convention, I look out the window and see homeless people, beggers. Then I get to the factory and see working poor. Or I get to convention and see middle class working people working for the factory at a higher/more educated level.

It's all the same. There are classes in all the systems. There are programs in all the systems to help the less fortunate.... to a degree. There are the super wealthy in all the systems.

[Ray Pina]

“The Third World War must be formented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the agents of the Illuminati between political Zionists and the leaders of the Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam and the political Zionism mutually destroy each other.

Meanwhile, the othr nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complet physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion. Thus they will be forced to receive the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.” –Albert Pike, grand commander of U.S. Freemasonry, Aug. 15, 1871

[ShaolinDan]

That's not back on topic. This is back on topic.

[Drake]

You're free to have a point of view of course. I would take free market capitalism over virtually every other economic model because it is actually the fairest in my opinion.

People are the factor that cause problems. The system isn't greedy, individuals are and not all of them certainly.

There's greed in socialist systems, communist systems, you name it and the human condition makes itself apparent despite any forms of control we place on our comings and goings.

It all comes down to you as the individual and the decisions you make along your life path.

If you put your key to happiness in someone else's pocket, you've screwed yourself basically. In other words, make yourself upright, it's all you can really do when it comes right down to it. there's no guarantees with anything else in life.

Do you mean an utterly free market, a la laissez-faire, or do you mean with minimal regulation? Because we've seen how corporations have taken advantage of free markets. They made them not so free.

[Scott R. Brown]

Do you mean an utterly free market, a la laissez-faire, or do you mean with minimal regulation? Because we've seen how corporations have taken advantage of free markets. They made them not so free.

In which case, they aren't free markets. Right?

[Gru Bianca]

sure it's the people, after all a system is nothing on its own other then a human projection, but the point is that capitalism as it's preached now days isn't good for the many nor "democratic".
I keep wondering why is that in capitalitic democracies people do not own their own money? Why is that in a capitalist democracy the monetary policies and money printing have to be delegated to private institutions instead of the elected Government? why is that people have to pay to have their own money (measure of their own sweat and blood) lended to them whey by right do alredy belong to them?
I am of the personal opinion that if u are not given the power to control and manage your own wealth (GDP) then you are not truly free nor in a good capitalistic system.
In closure I am not certainly a follower of the system that preaches indiscriminate privatizations as the only medicine to fair competition, especially for strategic sectors as pubblic tranportation, health, energy and defence sectors.

Time to go to sleep.

Night everybody

[Scott R. Brown]

“The Third World War must be formented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the agents of the Illuminati between political Zionists and the leaders of the Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam and the political Zionism mutually destroy each other.

Meanwhile, the othr nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complet physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion. Thus they will be forced to receive the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.” –Albert Pike, grand commander of U.S. Freemasonry, Aug. 15, 1871

Okay uki..........stop hacking into Ray's account!

[Scott R. Brown]

I don't think anyone believes we have a free market. It is an ideal, but certainly there has never be a completely free market. Black Markets are the closest thing, but since the Black Market does not represent all goods and services it is not a true National Free Market. However, within its small sphere they are probably the closest thing to a free market.

[David Jamieson]

I don't think anyone believes we have a free market. It is an ideal, but certainly there has never be a completely free market. Black Markets are the closest thing, but since the Black Market does not represent all goods and services it is not a true National Free Market. However, within its small sphere they are probably the closest thing to a free market.

I agree with this assessment.

[Drake]

Mong bat goes "RAWR!"

[Hardwork108]

There isn't any 'we' - there is no significant market of 'we' of any kind. The market is 'theirs'.
'We' is probably means less that five percent. You can look at it two ways - wealth control or wealth ownership, either way the 'we' that 'we' got is is next to nothing - it's pointless.

When the wealth is owned by a small group , it is only capital for that small group and only capitalism for them. And they keep power by making sure that others use wealth for capital to increase their own prosperity.

This is how the system was defined the unchecked profit motive and other things. It is simply extending and reaching it's natural conclusion. The conclusion of monopolism is fascism The system need s redefinition. It can be done.

It's hard to say how much there was of 'we' previously, there may have been enough so at least we thought there was a 'we' but this is the meaning of the wealth shift. The 'we' is significantly gone. .and the wealth shift is still ongoing to...? a singularity? There may have been a 'tipping point' a couple of years ago. So long as there is a so called 'crisis' it means the wealth is being still being shifted. It's not a crisis for the elite, it's a triumph of control and they don't want to let it go.


The masses are really unaware just how much has been robbed from them, both in potential and actuality. The same goes for China.
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The system is beyond repair by simple taxation of the rich. The wealth has to be taken from the elite and redistributed in some manner the population, not to the government - which would simply transfer power from elite to the elite mandarins IE another form of fascist Statism.
Generations of families and workers have created wealth all of which has been simply taken from them. They have created so much wealth for the owners that now the owners cn afford ten cameras to watch every low wage earner.
IE There is no real shortage of wealth - there is a shortage of wealth sharing. The wealth that is created is used to furhter disempower the workers that create it.
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I like the idea of giving workers shares and controlling financial interests in the companies they work for -forcing this. Or interest free loans.. Once you take the lid off, expose the fallacy that the system is capitalist, separate the idea of capitalism form the idea of economic fascism by an elite, there are endless ideas to try that have never been tried.

Very well put and this is very relevant in today's time of economic "crisis", which is being used to transfer wealth from the masses into the pockets of the elite banking cartels, that is, their owners.

People don't see it, because they are blind as bats, politically speaking of course. While they were looking to utterly corrupt politicians such as Obama, for change, the man himself was handing out billions of dollars to the same banks, whose owners own his a$$, lock stock and barrel. Yet, people don't see this day light robbery that includes an attack on the American middle class, to the point of reducing them to a minority.

Yes, Fascism is not on its way, it is here already, but a population that has been dumbed down for decades, will not see it, until it is too late!

[hskwarrior]

has anyone checked out the Illuminati playing cards? i found them pretty interesting as they were printed many years before certain famous incidents.

[Drake]

The WTC was bombed before in 1993, two years before these cards came out. Probably a reference to that.

There's actually a Sega game where you literally fly a plane into the WTC... now THAT'S prophetic!

[Gru Bianca]

[QUOTE=Drake;1151607]The WTC was bombed before in 1993, two years before these cards came out. Probably a reference to that.

There's actually a Sega game where you literally fly a plane into the WTC... now THAT'S prophetic![/QUOTE

Or inspirational to some?