What REAL Xingyiquan looks like:

[donjitsu2]

Here's a quote from Xingyi Master Di Gouyong when asked about the criticism that Kung Fu stylists "...lose the characteristics of their [respective] style(s)" during actual fights or fight training:

The techniques aren’t just the movements but the power that is used to do the techniques.

You need to train how to apply them so you can exert the correct type of power without being bound by the model.

As long as you do something that uses the right power, it is Xing Yi Quan. It doesn’t have to look like the perfect form of a specific technique

thought I'd share...



Train Hard,
Josh Skinner

[Juan Alvarez]

Going beyond the movements to understand the principle and application.

Excellent comment. Thank you for sharing.

[Mike Patterson]

Here's a quote from Xingyi Master Di Gouyong when asked about the criticism that Kung Fu stylists "...lose the characteristics of their [respective] style(s)" during actual fights or fight training:



thought I'd share...



Train Hard,
Josh Skinner

Gee. Where have I heard THAT before?

Pay attention y'all. See? I'm not the ONLY no knowledge "internalist" that purveys such tripe!

[taai gihk yahn]

bullocks, ALL of it - clearly, NONE of u have experienced / understood / brushed furtively yet innocently up against in the fresh produce section da r3alz internalz

(and this "Patterson" character - how do we know he even really exists at all? mighty suspicious and queer dealings I says...)

[Scott R. Brown]

I have heard that some people enjoy the taste of tripe!

[YouKnowWho]

Power is only 1/5 of the equation. There are timing, opportunity, angle, and balance as well.

[spiralstair]

Isn't that the taste of trite?

[taai gihk yahn]

Power is only 1/5 of the equation. There are timing, opportunity, angle, and balance as well.

amongst John's weaponry, are such diverse elements as power, timing, opportunity, angle, balance and nice puffy uniforms...

[RWilson]

Here's a quote from Xingyi Master Di Gouyong when asked about the criticism that Kung Fu stylists "...lose the characteristics of their [respective] style(s)" during actual fights or fight training:



thought I'd share...



Train Hard,
Josh Skinner

I agree 100% with Josh and Mike Patterson.

Since the pinches of boxing are similar in power generation to hsing I 5 elements....would you guys consider sport boxing to be hsing I? I am very interested in the answer to this question.

[taai gihk yahn]

ISince the pinches of boxing are similar in power generation to hsing I 5 elements....

of course, in boxing u can't apply the pinches in quite the same way that you would in hsing i because of the gloves...

[RWilson]

of course, in boxing u can't apply the pinches in quite the same way that you would in hsing i because of the gloves...

Application is in the mind of the beholder and is spontaneous. No two fighters look exactly the same.

That being said...I was asking from a power generation point of view.

[taai gihk yahn]

Application is in the mind of the beholder and is spontaneous. No two fighters look exactly the same.

That being said...I was asking from a power generation point of view.

I think that you missed the point of my humor...

[RWilson]

I think that you missed the point of my humor...

I guess I did.

Is boxing the modern version of the 5 elements, hsing I gents?

[YouKnowWho]

The boxing gloves are big, which means they can't fit through the same narrow spaces. And the contact surface is completely different, meaning you can't match the fist to the target point. Two different games.

Agree! If you put boxing gloves on a mantis guy, that mantis guy will fight just like a boxer. The XY "Pi Quan" and the LH mantis "catch grasshopper" are very similiar.

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7963/piquan1.jpg

The XY Pi Quan is also called 劈抓(Pi Zhua). Not only you need to strike your palm out, you also need to grab your hand back. Only if you can grab it back, you can't call it Pi Quan because it has a circular motion. If your Pi Quan can only strike forward but not grab back, you can't use it to hit anybody.

The 劈抓(Pi Zhua) is like a small circle followed by a big circle. That big circle then turns into a small circle, and that small circle then turns into a big circle. It continues like this and never terminate. It's like a Pi Quan after another Pi Quan (similiar to WC "chain punches"). When your opponent blocks your Pi Quan, you grab his arm, pull his arm, and then give him another Pi Quan. Why do you want to grab? When you pull your opponent into your striking, he is not going anywhere, you can cause a "head on collusion".

With boxing gloves, you may still use fist instead of palm strike. But it's hard to grab your opponent's arm back, The XingYi system has different application than boxing (besides power generation).

[mooyingmantis]

Agree! If you put boxing gloves on a mantis guy, that mantis guy will fight just like a boxer.

With boxing gloves, you may still use fist instead of palm strike. But it's hard to grab your opponent's arm back...

Agreed!

Many mantis combinations can be effectively practiced while wearing boxing gloves. However, many others cannot. I prefer to use the whole repertoire of mantis techniques. So my students fight in lighter, fingerless gloves. Since I believe "you fight like you train", I don't want students only practicing a part of the art against non-compliant opponents.