Compare Taiji push hands with Chinese wrestling

[YouKnowWho]

If we compare these 2 clips, we can see some

- similiar such as borrow force, yield, sticky, follow, lead your opponent into the emptiness, ...
- difference such as Chinese wrestling use more leg moves, and end with single leg balance.

Why can't we mix both into one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIc5NIfrnJs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZouSsrTGNE

[mawali]

Of course, we can BUT most will say that it is not "internal'.

[SPJ]

yes.

It is always a question of formats or rule sets.

http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/shaolinchuandao

check out the rules before entering.

that is.

[Dragonzbane76]

Of course, we can BUT most will say that it is not "internal'

- similiar such as borrow force, yield, sticky, follow, lead your opponent into the emptiness, ...
- difference such as Chinese wrestling use more leg moves, and end with single leg balance.

in the end it's all one thing that's been around for a long long time and it's not some mythical proclaimation it mechanics and training.

[EarthDragon]

The second clip was from shifu John Irving and sifu gino's tourney @ case western univesity in Ohio. I was one of the judges therer then offered a seminar there with shuai jiao shifu from California the next day on sunday. great tourney, awesome tournout will be goign again next year. I cant say enough about it

[ginosifu]

The second clip was from shifu John Irving and sifu gino's tourney @ case western univesity in Ohio. I was one of the judges therer then offered a seminar there with shuai jiao shifu from California the next day on sunday. great tourney, awesome tournout will be goign again next year. I cant say enough about it

Thx for the kind word Sifu.

My personal Opinion on Push Hands / Shaui Chiao:

They are both the same thing. Both borrow energy from your opponent. Both grapple, lock and throw. Push Hands, SC, Judo, BJJ etc etc all work on sensitivity thru constant grappling and touching each other.

For self defense they are close to the same. For competition they only differ thru different rule sets.

ginosifu

[RonBlair]

In the push hands clip the guy getting thrown around is only resisting up to a certain point. Then he just stops resisting allowing the other guy to throw him around. Kinda pointless.

[EarthDragon]

ron blair, really? you can see and feel that from your computer screen?

I highly doubt it. and if you see how far and quick he is thrown this is certainly not the case.

[RonBlair]

ron blair, really? you can see and feel that from your computer screen?

I highly doubt it. and if you see how far and quick he is thrown this is certainly not the case.

Earthdragon, are you saying you can "feel" what's going on better through your computer screen? Lol. Based on your argument your opinion is worth as much as mine unless you were actually there.

[Robinhood]

If we compare these 2 clips, we can see some

- similiar such as borrow force, yield, sticky, follow, lead your opponent into the emptiness, ...
- difference such as Chinese wrestling use more leg moves, and end with single leg balance.

Why can't we mix both into one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIc5NIfrnJs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZouSsrTGNE

Mix both for what ?, do you want to create another sport, just change rules and you will create another sport.

The guy in black in first video is just a guy on higher level than other guys, so he uses less movement to get job done, that's all nothing to do with combine this or that, less movement equals higher level, not more moving.

[EarthDragon]

I was saying that you cant make the assumtion that he was giving up. it didnt look like it to me. But I see your poitn the same can be said about him not givng up... touche'

[Robinhood]

I think the guy realized that what he was doing was not working and tried something else that really did not work. I think he ran out of moves or options.

[YouKnowWho]

Mix both for what ?

Integrate sweep, hook, cut, sickle, twist, bite, sharpen. spring, block, break, lift, ... into Taiji push hand.

[ginosifu]

If we compare these 2 clips, we can see some

- similiar such as borrow force, yield, sticky, follow, lead your opponent into the emptiness, ...
- difference such as Chinese wrestling use more leg moves, and end with single leg balance.

Why can't we mix both into one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIc5NIfrnJs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZouSsrTGNE

You know that GM Chang learned Yang Style Tai Chi from General Ma (I think it was him). I would assume that GM Chang learned Push Hands as well.

I have been working with GM Chang's student, Chi Hsiu Weng AKA Dr. Weng from California for over 15 years and he has emphasized that Tai Chi and Shuai Chiao are linked like brother and sister.

Sure you can mix them both into one. However, my opinion is that they are already together.

ginosifu

[YouKnowWho]

You know that GM Chang learned Yang Style Tai Chi from General Ma (I think it was him). I would assume that GM Chang learned Push Hands as well.

I have been working with GM Chang's student, Chi Hsiu Weng AKA Dr. Weng from California for over 15 years and he has emphasized that Tai Chi and Shuai Chiao are linked like brother and sister.

Sure you can mix them both into one. However, my opinion is that they are already together.

ginosifu

GM Chang exchanged his SC with general Li Jing-Lin's Taiji (not general Ma).

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...QEwCQ&dur=1282

In Chang Taiji, both are integrated.