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    Well you and I have always agreed on this issue lol

    I think the other thing people don’t realise is how in contact sports PEDs are actually needed by some people whose careers might otherways be finished and the research some athletes do in order to understand them.

    I know of one pro level MMA guy who spent months trying to recovery from a shoulder injury who became so intimate with PEDS and how they effected the body you could have sworn he was a doctor, he never used them in the end but the temptation for pro level guys to use them to recover from the injuries they come to have is huge

    People come up with the sports, make bigger and bigger demands on the athletes who compete them complain about HOW they get to the end point the fans demand……retatred

    As for PEDs being taken by people wanting to look like their idol, well how stupid must you be to willingly take all the risks of something for non or the rewards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    Well you and I have always agreed on this issue lol

    I think the other thing people don’t realise is how in contact sports PEDs are actually needed by some people whose careers might otherways be finished and the research some athletes do in order to understand them.

    I know of one pro level MMA guy who spent months trying to recovery from a shoulder injury who became so intimate with PEDS and how they effected the body you could have sworn he was a doctor, he never used them in the end but the temptation for pro level guys to use them to recover from the injuries they come to have is huge

    People come up with the sports, make bigger and bigger demands on the athletes who compete them complain about HOW they get to the end point the fans demand……retatred

    As for PEDs being taken by people wanting to look like their idol, well how stupid must you be to willingly take all the risks of something for non or the rewards?
    Indeed we do agree my friend
    As for why some risk without the real rewards, the answer is simple:
    Pu$$y and admiration from their "peers".
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    Its a hard call to make dude.
    Knowing a few high level athletes in various sports I know the demands that are imposed on them to be at that level.
    Either you walk away or you adapt.
    The thing is that IF it was "above board" those that are winning NOW would still be the ones winning.
    Performance enhancers is a misnomer, the correct term should be recovery enhancers because that is really the main thing that they do to "enhance" the performance.
    They allow a athlete to train harder, longer and get to where he WOULD be anyway but quicker.
    You do NOT get to be a world or Olympic champ because of them, but they do allow you to get there faster.
    And that is really the issue.
    Add to that the factor that if one guys does it the only way to "even the playing field" is for others to do it.
    The issue I have is NOT the high level guys are doing it but that idiots at the recreational level are doing it and thinking that they can make it to the elite levels ( they can't).
    You even have guys doing it just to look good and kick ass at the local, low-level competitive venues.
    Sad really.
    In the regard to those that do it and are doing it for recreational and image reasons then YES, I agree with you view 100%, it is totally about insecurities, inferiorty complexes and just being really dumb.
    We are in a very sad state when we abuse ourselves long term for immediate gains. Whether it comes from internal or external pressures it's still an unhealthy attitude IMO and goes against the very notion of sportsmanship.

    So yeah, some pro is loosing it and they are afraid of loosing face, paper, whatever and they go juice. Not cool. I feel sorry for these people, in a way.

    As far as recreational users. lol. whatever. They are just as guilty without the financial pressure. That makes them even more weak, IMO.

    Steroids are a very serious problem and are just a small sliver of a much larger issue of north amerian systemic pharma-abuse. We are taught from day one to take medicine to feel better. And that's cool, but most people don't have physical fitness drilled into them quite as well. That's why we have a nation with a large chunk of very unhealthy citizens on the pain killer maintenance program. And don't even get me started on the self perpetuating pharmasuetical/psychological industry. 10% applicable, 90% cash grab. Uggh. No wonder kids grow up, get insecure and juice up just to be able to compete at a high level. Everyone else is doing it, what choice do they have, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    If you are earning 10 million dollars a film, using the best PEDs you can find just makes sense, if you are a pro level athlete looking to recover better so you can train harder and become a champion (sherk anyone) it can makes sense, to think taking dodgy PEDs sold out of your gym backroom will make you the next pro UFC champ IS retarted

    And to be honest offer me a £10 million contract and tell me I need to take PEDs id say yes, which baseball blayer was it that started them all off taking steroids and said hey I have a full time doctor to look after me, the best PEDS in the world and it helped me earn £20million or so, what’s wrong or dangerous about that?


    As for the widespread use of PEDS in MMA, well in a sport where you need to train at least 5 days a week and probably multiple sessions each day to get good at 3 different disciplines as well as work conditioning and strength, who the feck honestly thinks you can do that without either freaky genes or PEDS
    Even quality physician supervised PED's are getting way out of hand. Alot of the blame is on the physicians and therapists. Sure an M.S. patient could use a boost to help them walk or whatever, but a well tuned athlete is far better off in the long run to take a more natural approach. But even then, PED's aren't evil or anything. PED use is ok sometimes, but PED abuse is a huge problem for pro's and wannabees alike.


    Well let's just see how all these well tuned machines are feeling at 65, if they get that far. A few will be tip top, but most will be hurting wrecks. If you value $ over health then by all means. And I'm sure there's a healthy balance between the two, but most people miss the mark IMO. We'll see, I guess. We're already starting to see the ravages of athletes from the 70's and 80's. Like the whole concussion argument. Not good man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn7 View Post
    We are in a very sad state when we abuse ourselves long term for immediate gains. Whether it comes from internal or external pressures it's still an unhealthy attitude IMO and goes against the very notion of sportsmanship.

    So yeah, some pro is loosing it and they are afraid of loosing face, paper, whatever and they go juice. Not cool. I feel sorry for these people, in a way.

    As far as recreational users. lol. whatever. They are just as guilty without the financial pressure. That makes them even more weak, IMO.

    Steroids are a very serious problem and are just a small sliver of a much larger issue of north amerian systemic pharma-abuse. We are taught from day one to take medicine to feel better. And that's cool, but most people don't have physical fitness drilled into them quite as well. That's why we have a nation with a large chunk of very unhealthy citizens on the pain killer maintenance program. And don't even get me started on the self perpetuating pharmasuetical/psychological industry. 10% applicable, 90% cash grab. Uggh. No wonder kids grow up, get insecure and juice up just to be able to compete at a high level. Everyone else is doing it, what choice do they have, right?
    Well...the issue of "everyone else is doing it what choice do I have" is a very REAL one for ANYONE that wants to compete at the highest levels.
    Lets be clear about soemthing:
    High level spots competition has very little to do with "health) ( although of course every athelete wants to be healthy) and very little to do with longevity AFTER the sport ( and more to do with longevity withing the sport).
    Pro athletes are jacked up, in EVERY sport ( if not on PE then on pain killers of some sorts).

    That this type of mentality is filtering down to low level and even recreational sports is logical since those area are filled with "failed superstars" and with "wannabe superstars".
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    Well...the issue of "everyone else is doing it what choice do I have" is a very REAL one for ANYONE that wants to compete at the highest levels.
    Lets be clear about soemthing:
    High level spots competition has very little to do with "health) ( although of course every athelete wants to be healthy) and very little to do with longevity AFTER the sport ( and more to do with longevity withing the sport).
    Pro athletes are jacked up, in EVERY sport ( if not on PE then on pain killers of some sorts).

    That this type of mentality is filtering down to low level and even recreational sports is logical since those area are filled with "failed superstars" and with "wannabe superstars".
    Yeah I know. It's very disfunctional and very sad. It's unfortunate that there's nowhere for the real deal to compete and make real paper. So few people can do it without the help. I imagine a few do, but how many really? not that many.

    Peer pressure is a b1tch, no doubt. A hard fact of life. But it's still a weakness. I know alot of juicers. It's too bad, it changes the way they think. It's really sad. I have personally never seen anyone get back what they lost from the use. Long term loss for temporary gains. Seems like a common strand in the fabric of life, doesn't it!?!? And maybe it makes sense financially to a very small minority, but that mentality filters down to weaker minds who will never see any real monetary gains from juicing. Pain killers too. Dope up and push thru the pain, that's GENIUS How many guys ruin what's left of a limb or whatever for "just one more season". Too many pro's missed the lesson on graceful exits. Of course it wouldn't be fair to just lump everyone into one pile. Everyone has their reasons. But generally, essentially, the story is pretty much always the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn7 View Post
    Yeah I know. It's very disfunctional and very sad. It's unfortunate that there's nowhere for the real deal to compete and make real paper. So few people can do it without the help. I imagine a few do, but how many really? not that many.

    Peer pressure is a b1tch, no doubt. A hard fact of life. But it's still a weakness. I know alot of juicers. It's too bad, it changes the way they think. It's really sad. I have personally never seen anyone get back what they lost from the use. Long term loss for temporary gains. Seems like a common strand in the fabric of life, doesn't it!?!? And maybe it makes sense financially to a very small minority, but that mentality filters down to weaker minds who will never see any real monetary gains from juicing. Pain killers too. Dope up and push thru the pain, that's GENIUS How many guys ruin what's left of a limb or whatever for "just one more season". Too many pro's missed the lesson on graceful exits. Of course it wouldn't be fair to just lump everyone into one pile. Everyone has their reasons. But generally, essentially, the story is pretty much always the same.

    Word.
    But such is life.
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    Got this press release today

    Thought I'd share it...

    CRIS CYBORG
    SIGNS MULTI-FIGHT DEAL WITH
    INVICTA FIGHTING CHAMPIONSHIPS

    POUND-FOR-POUND SENSATION TO FACE
    SUBMISSION ACE EDIANE GOMES AT INVICTA FC 5
    AT AMERISTAR CASINO HOTEL KANSAS CITY APRIL 5

    WINNER FACES NO. 1 RANKED MARLOES COENEN

    KANSAS CITY, Mo. (February 15, 2013) –Pound-for-pound great and devastating featherweight (145 pounds) KO artist Cris Cyborg (10-1, 1 NC) of Curitiba, Brazil has signed a multi-fight agreement with women’s world championship Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) promotion Invicta Fighting Championships, it was announced tonight on “Inside MMA” on AXS TV.

    Cyborg will make her Invicta FC debut against streaking submission ace and Unified Women’s Professional MMA Rankings world No. 2 featherweight Ediane “India” Gomes (10-2) of Coconut Creek, Fla. via Sao Paulo, Brazil at the promotion’s highly-anticipated, world championship doubleheader event at Ameristar Casino Hotel Kansas City on Friday, April 5.

    The winner of the matchup between Cyborg and Gomes will square off with world No. 1 ranked featherweight superstar Marloes Coenen at Invicta FC 6, on a date to be announced.

    Gomes’ original Invicta FC 5 opponent, Julia “The Jewel” Budd (4-2) of Port Moody BC, Canada, will now face rising star Fiona Muxlow (6-2) of Townsville, Queensland Australia on the April 5 card.

    “We are thrilled to welcome Cris Cyborg, arguably the top pound-for-pound female fighter in the world, to our rapidly growing roster of world-class athletes,” said Invicta FC President Shannon Knapp. “Cris’ incredible performances in front of national TV audiences over the last few years have helped put women’s MMA on the radar of the masses and paved the way for others to establish themselves in the sport.”

    The 27-year-old Cyborg is universally recognized as the most devastating striker in the women’s field of MMA fighters, pulverizing her way to 8 (T)KO victories since making her pro debut in 2005.

    Cyborg took her career to new heights in a main event showdown with superstar rival Gina Carano on Aug. 15, 2009, quickly overwhelming and stopping Carano with a barrage of punches in the first round (4:59) of their meeting to become the first-ever Strikeforce women’s world champion in history. The long-awaited fight set a new viewership record for MMA on premium cable channel SHOWTIME.

    “I am excited to finally get back in the cage and to have the opportunity to fight for Invicta Fighting Championships, which has shown a tremendous amount of commitment to furthering the growth of women’s MMA,” said Cyborg. “I will be ready on April 5 for Ediane and I plan to dominate my competition as I’ve done in the past.”

    Amongst the other top flight opponents Cyborg has conquered during her reign of terror are submission wizards Coenen, Shayna Baszler and Hitomi Akano.

    Tickets for Invicta FC 5: Penne vs. Waterson go on sale soon.

    In the main event, reigning Invicta FC Atomweight (105 pounds) Champion Jessica Penne (10-1, 1 NC) of Huntington Beach, Calif. will defend her crown against superstar Michelle “The Karate Hottie” Waterson (10-3) of Albuquerque, N.M. and, in the co-main event and first-ever Invicta FC flyweight (125 pounds) title fight, submission ace Vanessa Porto (15-5) of Sao Paulo, Brazil will square off with red-hot star Barb Honchak (7-2) of Bettendorf, Iowa.


    About Invicta Fighting Championships:

    Invicta Fighting Championships (www.invictafc.com) is a world championship Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) fight series dedicated to providing female athletes with a major platform to hone their skills on a consistent basis. Founded in 2012 by longtime MMA executive Shannon Knapp and sports aficionado Janet Martin, Invicta is committed to pioneering the future growth of women’s MMA by promoting the best possible matchups between female competitors and identifying and developing future superstars of the sport.
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    I could be wrong, but I just can't see her being as good without the juice. I never really saw her as a technical genius or anything. She more or less walked through people. Not much finesse there at all.

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    A few years ago I read an interesting report (will try and see if I can find it again).

    Basicly the conclussion was that 65% of the top athletes they had researched on would willingly take a drug, garanteed to make them win the olympics but with the side effect they would die within 10 years after.

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    this is one of the reasons i dont have a passion for mma. i like to watch it, i like its concept, but its very cold to me, i feel it lacks humanity.


    PEDs doesnt just build muscle, it also harden your hands and body. to me the journey of training is the most important. if someone skips that journey, they are worthless.
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    If everybody cheats, then let them and just don't call it "fair sport" anymore.

    Call it whatever you want, but don't let people have the impression that these people are doing anything natural or beneficial. Because they aren't, they are in essence cheating and are not reflecting the ability of a human.

    I think it's rife in almost all professional "sport" now. It has effectively ruined many sports because the accurate and true reflection of human capability isn't there when people are constantly and consistently cheating by using drugs to do something they would not be able to do otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bawang View Post
    this is one of the reasons i dont have a passion for mma. i like to watch it, i like its concept, but its very cold to me, i feel it lacks humanity.


    PEDs doesnt just build muscle, it also harden your hands and body. to me the journey of training is the most important. if someone skips that journey, they are worthless.
    Is it any difference than the old timers using herbal medicines and animal bones to harden the hands and body and accelerate healing? Was that cheating as well?
    PEDs are mainly used to help recovery between training sessions and most importantly help recovery from the injuries they sustain.
    Its not like you take them and boom you are a big muscled MMA star you still need to put te training in
    Guys like sean sherk were training 6 days a week, twice a day working on striking, wrestling, submissions S and C etc, its nuts to think most of them aren't taking anything to be honest
    They all want an edge be it creatine, beta alunine, extra protein, use of high altitude chambers, blood doping or PEDS, the only difference is some things are on the banned list and some aren’t, and how that list was arrived at and why things were banned is a strange process

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost View Post
    They all want an edge be it creatine, beta alunine, extra protein, use of high altitude chambers, blood doping or PEDS, the only difference is some things are on the banned list and some aren’t, and how that list was arrived at and why things were banned is a strange process
    That is true. I just saw a good documentary arguing for the use of steroids. Pretty interesting. The guy brings up students routinely taking Adderall as academic enhancement drugs and such.

    Lots of low level Pro fighters takes steroids as there's less or zero testing there. Many don't even make more than a few hundred dollars per fight. But it's tough to keep losing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bawang View Post
    this is one of the reasons i dont have a passion for mma. i like to watch it, i like its concept, but its very cold to me, i feel it lacks humanity.


    PEDs doesnt just build muscle, it also harden your hands and body. to me the journey of training is the most important. if someone skips that journey, they are worthless.
    Just your take on it I guess. Some people train MA to be fighters, some for fitness, some for their Asian fetishes, etc. All valid.

    Martial Arts is merely a tool for me while to some, it's a way of life.
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