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    Origins of Baguazhang

    Hi,
    Does anyone know where Baguazhang originate form, was it from shaolin, wudang, or emei?

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    There are many legends about Baguazhang.

    My family system comes from Emei/Ermei Mountains in Sichuan.
    Mouth Boxers have not the testicular nor the spinal fortitude to be known.
    Hence they hide rather than be known as adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Dugas View Post
    There are many legends about Baguazhang.

    My family system comes from Emei/Ermei Mountains in Sichuan.

    Thanks Dale,

    What i am trying to figure out is where the origional system that Dong Hai Chuan came up with came from. Does anyone know it's from emei mountain/temple?

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    There are many stories.

    Dong Hai Chuan was reserved about explaining the origins of Baguazhang.

    Some records say he learned from Daoist Monks and others say he created it himself, etc...

    Who knows.

    Lineage and history get you only so far in your own training.
    Mouth Boxers have not the testicular nor the spinal fortitude to be known.
    Hence they hide rather than be known as adults.

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    He was known as being trained in some fighting, mostly attributed to Lohan Shaolin.
    Mouth Boxers have not the testicular nor the spinal fortitude to be known.
    Hence they hide rather than be known as adults.

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    yea lineage isnt as important as being able to use the system properly...nobody really knows...hell people dont even know if dong had a ***** or not, let alone where he got the system...most say its daoist in origin, due to its correlation with the 8 diagrams but who knows that might have been just added as a selling point.

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    Thanks Dale,

    In Baguazhang does the dan tien always lead the rest of the joints in the body (the joints always follow the dan dien) as in tai chi like one big ball?

    or does each joint move related to its related joints or harmonized with its neighbour joints instead of follow the dan dien always as in taichi (several smaller balls, one at each joint)?

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    In our system we are taught to move the whole body from the spine, which we call the Ridgepole.

    We move the ridgepole and everything moves around it and in relation to it.

    we dont think about the dan tien much, that is for qi gong.
    Mouth Boxers have not the testicular nor the spinal fortitude to be known.
    Hence they hide rather than be known as adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonBlair View Post
    Did you guys ever hear the legend of Dale's teacher, John Painter?

    John photoshopped his face onto a photo to try to trick people that he studied with someone. His lineage is the fakest one out there.
    That is why Dr. Yang Jwing Ming and Shifu Liang Shou Yu had my teacher right one of the forewords in their Baguazhang book. Due to his being a fake and all that.

    Anytime you want to come visit and feel what Jiulong Baguazhang is about feel free as my door is always open.

    Hiding behind a fake KFO account is not only cowardly, it paints you as nothing more than another fool who takes the word of other cowards rather than seeing if the person has the goods or not.

    Dr. Painter has them.

    enough said.
    Last edited by Dale Dugas; 01-11-2012 at 03:52 PM.
    Mouth Boxers have not the testicular nor the spinal fortitude to be known.
    Hence they hide rather than be known as adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonBlair View Post
    Did you guys ever hear the legend of Dale's teacher, John Painter?

    John photoshopped his face onto a photo to try to trick people that he studied with someone. His lineage is the fakest one out there.
    do you have any evidence to support this potentially libelous claim?

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    Did you know that RonBlair doesn't have an penus and has to use a strap-on in order to fool his dates into believing he is a man!

    Everyone knows this!!!

    Why don't you?

    NOW that, THAT, is OFFICIALLY on the internet you know it HAS to be true!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown View Post
    Did you know that RonBlair doesn't have an penus and has to use a strap-on in order to fool his dates into believing he is a man!

    Everyone knows this!!!

    Why don't you?

    NOW that, THAT, is OFFICIALLY on the internet you know it HAS to be true!!
    Hmmmm, I would think most men would notice such a thing...I mean especially on a date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn View Post
    do you have any evidence to support this potentially libelous claim?
    gau si gwun!!!
    "My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
    Gwok-Si, Gwok-Faht"

    "I will not be part of the generation
    that killed Kung-Fu."

    ....step.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Dugas View Post
    That is why Dr. Yang Jwing Ming and Shifu Liang Shou Yu had my teacher right one of the forewords in their Baguazhang book. Due to his being a fake and all that.

    Anytime you want to come visit and feel what Jiulong Baguazhang is about feel free as my door is always open.

    Hiding behind a fake KFO account is not only cowardly, it paints you as nothing more than another fool who takes the word of other cowards rather than seeing if the person has the goods or not.

    Dr. Painter has them.

    enough said.
    Hey, for the record I dont agree with what Ron Blair is saying, however, my future looks like it'll be taking me to texas for school and Bagua was one of the things I was looking for to train while I'm away from my Sifu and brothers back at home in NY.

    With that said, Jiulong Baguazhang was one of the few styles of Bagua that seemed to be available near Dallas and while I'm very interested in Bagua, there were a few things I couldn't be sure of from looking at the site alone. I actually gave up looking into it but I guess this thread worked out in my favor.

    If I may ask a few questions:
    1. Does Jiulong Bagua as taught through Dr. Painter (or his lineage) focus on fighting/combat? I mainly ask this because I do train tai chi and I know how the training can vary greatly depending on the intention with which it is taught. I'm personally trying to avoid schools that train for health alone

    2. Is Jiulong Bagua very different from other families of Bagua? I've seen random videos of forms with names like 8 basic palms, or 8 mother palms, 8 old palms, etc. Is this type of stuff included in Jiulong Bagua?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kung fu fighter View Post
    Hi,
    Does anyone know where Baguazhang originate form, was it from shaolin, wudang, or emei?
    It originated when someone refined His fighting methods through real life encounters and formalized them into a system and decided to pass that system on.
    In short, it originated like every other single method of combat.

    MA is suppose to be about what YOU can do, not about what someone MAY have done centuries ago.

    As for "legitmacy" and "lineage": there is ONLY ONE test of how legit any fighting system is and that is how effective it is in combat.
    Anything else is window dressing.
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