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    The best way to test your power and structure

    Let a heavy bag to swing to the other side as high as it can. When that heavy bag swing at you, you use your punch or kick to stop that bag. If you can still stand with solid body structure without being pushing back by that heavy bag, you have good power and good structure, otherwise you don't.

    The heavy bag will be just like a 200 lb guy runs full speed toward you and tries to knock your head off. If you can stop that guy's charging, your training is on the right track. Since this test cannot be done "solo", Fajin into the thin air make little sense IMO.

    Unless you can throw a 90 lb throwing dummy over your head, to say that you can throw a 200 lb guy over your head will need some test. The reason is simple, no matter how much power that you can generate into the thin air, your "body structure" may not be strong enough to take the counter force when it comes back to you.

    What's your opinion on this "realistic test"?
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 12-15-2011 at 07:37 AM.

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    nowadays

    there are sensors and computers

    they may detect your speed and correct positions.

    power may be, too.

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    I think that's a great test. Beginners beware.
    For whoso comes amongst many shall one day find that no one man is by so far the mightiest of all.

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    A very good test that doesn't require a partner or sparring.
    Sparring will always be the litmust test for practical applications of anything but the HB is crucial in the development and expression of power in any of its forms.
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    Used to do this with flying sidekicks...back when I still had my wings
    For whoso comes amongst many shall one day find that no one man is by so far the mightiest of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    Used to do this with flying sidekicks...back when I still had my wings
    It was a staple in ITF TKD for testing kicks.
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    people can say what they want about tkd, those guys have some of the best kicks ive ever seen. down right impressive stuff. i think a big part of that is the testing requirements.
    For whoso comes amongst many shall one day find that no one man is by so far the mightiest of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    people can say what they want about tkd, those guys have some of the best kicks ive ever seen. down right impressive stuff. i think a big part of that is the testing requirements.
    I have to agree about the kicks, although they can get a little telegraphic, but are otherwise very solid kicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    people can say what they want about tkd, those guys have some of the best kicks ive ever seen. down right impressive stuff. i think a big part of that is the testing requirements.
    You want kicks? TKD is the answer.
    Sure for the round kick MT is in a league all their own, but for over all kicking arsenal you will be hard pressed to find better than TKD.
    ITF perferably but I am bias.
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    Kyukoshin Kai Karate has stronger and harder kicks.

    WTF tkd has floopy useless week ass kicks. Yes it does, shut your mouth!!!

    ITF tkd has good kicks.

    K1 karate trains them properly and therefor has more powerful kicks than ITF tkd.

    This is just my opinion.

    Kung Fu has fantastic strength kicks, but you look like you wanna fast track 3 or 4 decent kicks as opposed to learning twenty and maybe getting good at a couple.

    practice makes perfect. that's the rule you need to follow.
    and don't expect perfection, just keep going towards it.
    Kung Fu is good for you.

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    Greetings,

    I thought breaking was all about raining structure. Not any more.

    I have seen the ability that just did not stop the bag with a kick. The person bounced the bag back a little. Now that is dangerous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    What's your opinion on this "realistic test"?
    That test is ok, but you have to be careful not to fool yourself by "passing" the test by using a static structure.

    Some people will connect and stay rigid and leave their arm extended. Or they may connect slowly and it becomes a type of push.

    Both of those will reinforce bad habits that will get a person in trouble when going against another person.

    It will be good to use realistic striking with proper structure that appears and disappears as in a real fight.

    Hit the bag to knock to it away and hit each time it comes back towards you to rebound it back.

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    You can train that method not just with punches and kicks.

    You also should use it for training explosive footwork. And if you use 4 corners of the body to strike the bag, you train the proper core body structure as well as work on iron body.

    We combine the footwork with the body striking against the bag and do reps to snap the bag as far away as possible with the shortest and sharpest possible impact. This is a regular part of our heavy bag workout.

    We also use this method with taichi and mantis close range forearm striking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -N- View Post
    You also should use it for training explosive footwork. And if you use 4 corners of the body to strike the bag, you train the proper core body structure as well as work on iron body..
    This is a good way to train students to make full commitment to aggressive deep attacks.

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    Best is resistance with partner, although sometimes you don't have the luxury of another individual.
    Sometimes you have to make due with what you got.
    Originally posted by Bawang
    i had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.
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    i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.

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