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    Wing Chun Weapons

    6.5 Point Pole/ Baat Jaam Dao.

    How do you incorporate them into your training? How do you see the practice of the weapons in the greater context of the system as a whole?

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    At Gary Lam's The pole is used for conditioning a coordination. as far as the knives go (I personally) have found nothing but ambiance. But many will tell you that it helps your double hand techniques like quan sau.

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    there are bucket loads of uses for weapons training in WC, not least learning to fight with the weapons in question (or similar). In addition they help increase power by adding weight and also challenging the practitioner to power the weapon (making the blades sing / pole hum), and just as importantly they hold a magnifying glass to your positions and control of your body by virtue of their length which causes small almost imperceptible differences in hand position look like huge movements when viewed at the tip of the weapon.
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    I never learned the pole or butterfly knives. No real need as my Wing Chun was to be a functional tool, and I would not be carrying a pole or knives on me. The razor, brass knuckles, spring blade knife, blackjack, things like that are far more practical since you can stuff them into a pocket.
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    I just practice them every now and then and don't agonise over all this "why" sh*t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chiang Po View Post
    I never learned the pole or butterfly knives. No real need as my Wing Chun was to be a functional tool, and I would not be carrying a pole or knives on me. The razor, brass knuckles, spring blade knife, blackjack, things like that are far more practical since you can stuff them into a pocket.
    Tools of the trade.
    Depends how good you want your "functional tool" to be. Then again if you're going out carrying dusters and flick knives you don't need wing chun (and IMO you shouldn't be taught it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by wingchunIan View Post
    Depends how good you want your "functional tool" to be. Then again if you're going out carrying dusters and flick knives you don't need wing chun (and IMO you shouldn't be taught it)
    Well, same can be said for the pole and butterfly knives. If you are going to pack a long stick and a pair of short swords why would you need Wing Chun? The only difference here is the choice of weapons. It was understood that I would find occasion to use Wing Chun to fight, and sometimes it simply isn't going to be enough. Thus the small pocket weapons. Carrying a long stick or a couple of big knives would certainly attract attention, so that was pretty much out of the question. I could have put them to use on several occasions, but the smaller pocket weapons were so much easier to hide.
    I am assuming that you practice Wing Chun and the weapons simply for the traditional feel of it all. Cultural or whatever. For me, it is just another weapon that I could hide from public view. Nothing to do with Honor or anything else except to be able to take your lunch money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chiang Po View Post
    Well, same can be said for the pole and butterfly knives. If you are going to pack a long stick and a pair of short swords why would you need Wing Chun? The only difference here is the choice of weapons. It was understood that I would find occasion to use Wing Chun to fight, and sometimes it simply isn't going to be enough. Thus the small pocket weapons. Carrying a long stick or a couple of big knives would certainly attract attention, so that was pretty much out of the question. I could have put them to use on several occasions, but the smaller pocket weapons were so much easier to hide.
    I am assuming that you practice Wing Chun and the weapons simply for the traditional feel of it all. Cultural or whatever. For me, it is just another weapon that I could hide from public view. Nothing to do with Honor or anything else except to be able to take your lunch money.
    I train the weapons for two reasons, in case the need and opportunity arises to pick up and utilise an improvised weapon, and to improve my empty hand tools. As you live in Texas and don't have an issue with carrying / using a weapon, why not simply carry a gun and have done with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Chiang Po View Post
    I never learned the pole or butterfly knives. No real need as my Wing Chun was to be a functional tool, and I would not be carrying a pole or knives on me. The razor, brass knuckles, spring blade knife, blackjack, things like that are far more practical since you can stuff them into a pocket.
    Tools of the trade.
    Brass Knuckles, switchblades, and blackjacks in MA would get your a felony illegal weapons charge, as well as financial penalties and the forfeiture of any CCW permits.
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    Many Martial Arts systems have their own signature weapon/training tool; for example, WC we have 6.5P and BJD, Xing Yi the Spear, Tai Chi the whippy (not floppy) Jian, TSK the Iron Rings, and Bagua the Deer Horn/Yue, Silat the Karambit etc. The signature weapon represents the key to the Methods and Philosophy of the system, although sometimes not obvious. Understand the signature weapon and you will unlock a big part of the system.

    Weapon training is not just about using that specific weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WingChunABQ View Post
    6.5 Point Pole/ Baat Jaam Dao.

    How do you incorporate them into your training? How do you see the practice of the weapons in the greater context of the system as a whole?
    I personally feel that I would not know the Wing Chun I know without having learnt the weapons and I was lucky really to have exposure to them quite early on (after about 3 years)

    My training is totally interactive too, not just copying the forms. I learnt that our weaponry is 'paired' and without a strong stick man your knife will only progress so far and vice versa.

    A key reason for the introduction of another systems pole and stick work imho because the knife men had to train with somebody!!
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