I think he means these parts:Originally Posted by WingChunABQ
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm
GM of Hadaka Korosu
I think he means these parts:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
are you muslim? I got this information directly from a MUSLIM.....You got this information from where?
shortened story in relation to this:
A middle eastern Christian had a Muslim friend who kept trying to convert him to islam. The Christian kept saying that he couldn't be a muslim because he liked to have sex, drink, and do some of the things against islamic law. The muslim kept pushing the issue then one day said to his christian friend that it was perfectly ok to do all those things as ALLAH was a good God.
The Christian guy gave it some thought and decided to convert and recited whatever he needed to to convert. It was after the conversion when the muslim turned to his new convert and said "Oh, now that you are a muslim we will kill you if you smoke, do drugs, have sex....etc etc"..........hence it is ok according to Mohammed to trick new converts into joining islam.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
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Yes in fact, I am.
So the dude you mentioned in your story was named Mohammed, and it was okay for him to trick new converts? Or are you saying that the religion itself has some kind of directive for its followers to trick people?
A middle eastern Christian had a Muslim friend who kept trying to convert him to islam. The Christian kept saying that he couldn't be a muslim because he liked to have sex, drink, and do some of the things against islamic law. The muslim kept pushing the issue then one day said to his christian friend that it was perfectly ok to do all those things as ALLAH was a good God.
The Christian guy gave it some thought and decided to convert and recited whatever he needed to to convert. It was after the conversion when the muslim turned to his new convert and said "Oh, now that you are a muslim we will kill you if you smoke, do drugs, have sex....etc etc"..........hence it is ok according to Mohammed to trick new converts into joining islam.
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
i never said the dude in the story was mohammed. if you want to know what i'm saying.....watch your muslim brother in the video. these are words from a muslim, not a christian, nor a catholic, and not from any other religion other than ISLAM.So the dude you mentioned in your story was named Mohammed, and it was okay for him to trick new converts? Or are you saying that the religion itself has some kind of directive for its followers to trick people?
I've watch many many videos on islam, even watched a good number of "THE DEEN SHOW". I've seen video's of leaders telling its people that it is against islamic law to post up pictures of yourself on Facebook. He told them they should take them down and only post pictures of tree's and oceans. I also DON'T agree with any religion that says if you don't convert, or try to renounce islam they'll kill you. Can't apologize for my utter despise of HONOR KILLINGS.
I am not religious what so ever. i just wanted to see why ISLAM is trying to take over the world.
Last edited by hskwarrior; 02-03-2012 at 10:25 AM.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
WHO stands up to these MUSLIMS and tries to convince them they are only harming the religion by spouting the things they do? who polices them?So you're taking what one guy says on Youtube, translated with subtitles (unless you speak Egyptian Arabic well enough to know what the guy is saying) as a normative, proscriptive directive to be follow by all Muslims worldwide and for all time?
Pretty faulty logic there.
Does the Westboro Baptist Church speak for all Christians? Nope.
I don't hate muslims, i hate religion. I used to work for a Muslim. I would talk with him about things like terrorists and such. he enlightened me to a different view point in which i do have a different understanding of life in his country. i also will never tell anyone NOT to go to a religion as i know everyone needs GOD.
But, if religion was like a buffet, all layed out in front of me, based on what i've seen, heard, experienced, and researched ISLAM is not for me. never will be.
Last edited by hskwarrior; 02-03-2012 at 10:28 AM.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
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For certain, not enough moderate people within Muslim communities, and not as forcefully nor as publically as they should. It's profoundly frustrating to those of us who are level headed and not, you know, a$$holes.
Military regimes in the Arab world would, in fact, imprison and torture lots of the extremist guys. This actually made the extremism worse. They went into prison with chips on their shoulders - they left with a mission of revenge which they justified with their own strident, literal interpretations of scripture.
For what it's worth, there are moderate voices out there, but they don't get that much attention because they're not scary and therefore don't sell advertising space on Fox News and CNN as well. Here are a couple of resources for moderate voices, if you're interested:
http://www.zaytunacollege.org/
http://www.daralislam.org/
http://www.masud.co.uk/
Which is totally cool and I totally respect. Now. Want some FALAFEL!?!?!? MUWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!! (just kidding).I don't hate muslims, i hate religion. I used to work for a Muslim. I would talk with him about things like terrorists and such. he enlightened me to a different view point in which i do have a different understanding of life in his country. i also will never tell anyone NOT to go to a religion as i know everyone needs GOD.
But, if religion was like a buffet, all layed out in front of me, based on what i've seen, heard, experienced, and researched ISLAM is not for me. never will be.
FWIW, I pretty much love religion, but hate religious people for exactly the same reasons you're stating.
GM of Hadaka Korosu
I think it is very common to confuse religion with organized religion.
Religion is a set of beliefs about God/afterlife/ the divine nature of the universe.
Organized religion is about a small group pf people trying to impose their view of religion on everyone else.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
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Like it matters if someone is "tricked" into becoming Muslim.
There is enough blood to go around. The Inquisition is a good example.
Looking for someone like Bill Cosby to say something that you can then use to support YOUR views - how weak. Why not just put your own views out there instead....even if they are a bit distasteful....
Unless, of course, you secretly know that they are wrong.
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
really? I'd be pretty upset if i got tricked into a religion that claims it will kill you if you try to leave it.Like it matters if someone is "tricked" into becoming Muslim.
in fact. aside for my love of GOD, Im pretty upset that Christianity tricked me. but i left that religion behind and no one has ever threatened my life for doing so.
Last edited by hskwarrior; 02-03-2012 at 10:34 AM.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
GM of Hadaka Korosu
Sometimes we forget that religion in of itself has nothing to answer for, people on the other hand, have lots to answer for.
The real issue is that people let themselves be led but a minority and what they do, they will have to answer for and I just wish more people would realize that.
Christianity is a religion of love and compassion and peace and yet, people have been led by individual to commit horrific acts in its name.
And the same can be said for the vast majority of ideologies, religious or otherwise.
The common denominator being people led by a minority to do something that deep down they KNOW to be wrong.
Go figure.
Long before religion as we know it ever came to be, people were doing as such.
What religion has done is point out that this was wrong and the fact that man has taken religion and done what it preaches most vemently against, just shows how powerful the urge to F things up really is.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
NIII
Not here. But there are places in the world where being anything but christian does mean death, mistreatement etc etc...
And on the flipside, in your hood a muslim can choose to not be muslim too. They may have family pressure, but then so do christians. I know people whos fam won't talk to them because they chose to leave the faith. Sad, but true.
Rarely do you see muslim honour killings in america. very rare.
NIII
I was under the impression that true christians didn't have random sex and get drunk. And in some places, even today, it could be punished by death, shaming, etc etc...
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And that is a scholarly, peer-reviewed resource managed by people who are experts on Islamic theology, the Arabic language, the history of the founding of the religion, and so forth?
Don't think so.
So when the Bible says that women should submit to their husbands or else (Ephesians 5:22-24), or that they need to be quiet and submissive or else (1 Timothy), does that mean that Christianity justifies domestic violence?
Of course not. But plenty of folks can take that stuff out of context, put their fingers on those verses and claim that all Christians, fueled by their religion, support and indeed do beat their wives. And that'd be dumb too.
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
That is something a MAN had written. I highly doubt a GOD would believe a woman should submit to her husband. I don't believe in religion or the bible, or the quran, all which was written by man.So when the Bible says that women should submit to their husbands or else (Ephesians 5:22-24), or that they need to be quiet and submissive or else (1 Timothy), does that mean that Christianity justifies domestic violence?
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
GM of Hadaka Korosu
Frank has answered your question himself and no, that was not a peer-reviewed website or whatever dude.
And yes, context is crucial and the links in that side do indeed show context by the way.
And peer-reviwed in religion simply means "peer-reviewed by someone giving their interpretation that is just their interpretation also".
Theology is NOT science dude and this coming from someone ( me) working on his Bachelors in Theology.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
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