Where did you get the idea I'm trying to expose frauds? This thread was about realistic vs. unrealistic submissions and that's what I'm discussing. There are probably thousands of fraudulent martial arts teachers teaching unrealistic techniques. I don't care if they are exposed or not. People throw good money away on rip-off products and services all the time. It's not my mission to protect them.
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christ how many times can these threads come around....11 pages
those subs at the start weren't great, as pointed out on this thread already, and as pointed out previously were more than likely taken from judo (so what nothing rong with that) as for the whole standing locks, wrist locks etc thing its been done to death out of thousands of grappling and MMA videos you can find a handful of standing subs being used (most finish on the ground like the kimura) and the rest are freakish in nature, if that doesn't tell you something about their usefulness then lord help you
Didnt watch vids but from some of the coversations im sure i didnt miss anything. Anything can work but for realism i would think simple and high percentage would be the answer.
Originally posted by BawangOriginally posted by Bawangi had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.
No - you didn't. YouKnowWho pointed out that standing chin na ends in ground submissions and then you went on a pointless, clueless, noob rant about how you can't take down someone with an arm lock unless they're a 12 year old girl. So I posted a vid of one of the top MMA fighters in the world being taken down by an arm lock. So, not only are you stupid, but in a way - you equated Renzo Gracie with a 12 year old girl, so that makes you really stupid.
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What I pointed out was that particular wrist lock would almost never result in bringing the opponent to the ground. I said nothing about being able to take someone down with a kimura. Kimuras to the ground are standard defenses from single/double legs and when the opponent has one's back. Sakuraba used them very effectively throughout his career.
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Like all striking arts share many similarities, so do grappling arts.
From the very first time a caveman slapped a "bong-bang" on an other cavemen to this very second where someone, somewhere, is slapping a "mata leao" on someone else.
The only difference has been on the variations of the core submissions.
It doesn't matter who borrowed from whom because they ALL borrowed from someone.
As for whether systems A has these techniques the obvious answer is that would depend on the teacher and what the student is interested in learning.
This should have ended with Frost post:
Frost christ how many times can these threads come around....11 pages
those subs at the start weren't great, as pointed out on this thread already, and as pointed out previously were more than likely taken from judo (so what nothing rong with that) as for the whole standing locks, wrist locks etc thing its been done to death out of thousands of grappling and MMA videos you can find a handful of standing subs being used (most finish on the ground like the kimura) and the rest are freakish in nature, if that doesn't tell you something about their usefulness then lord help you
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Wait...is someone denying the infallibility of wrist control?
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