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    Quote Originally Posted by Peaceful Orchid View Post
    I'm just an old man who dabbled in a variety of things in his youth and now plays with Tai Chi and yoga mainly for health.

    As far as what wrist locks and neck locks I know, I know the difference between what works and what doesn't work.
    What make you to take the mission of "exposing fraud martial arts teachers"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    What make you to take the mission of "exposing fraud martial arts teachers"?
    Where did you get the idea I'm trying to expose frauds? This thread was about realistic vs. unrealistic submissions and that's what I'm discussing. There are probably thousands of fraudulent martial arts teachers teaching unrealistic techniques. I don't care if they are exposed or not. People throw good money away on rip-off products and services all the time. It's not my mission to protect them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peaceful Orchid View Post
    Where did you get the idea I'm trying to expose frauds? This thread was about realistic vs. unrealistic submissions and that's what I'm discussing. There are probably thousands of fraudulent martial arts teachers teaching unrealistic techniques. I don't care if they are exposed or not.
    It's in your "About Me".

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    It's in your "About Me".

    About Peaceful Orchid

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    haha!!! nice!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    It's in your "About Me".

    About Peaceful Orchid

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    That is a joke profile. I stole that from someone on another site because I thought it was funny and I'm not that creative. I had forgotten the part about the fraud teachers. I really couldn't care less about them.

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    christ how many times can these threads come around....11 pages

    those subs at the start weren't great, as pointed out on this thread already, and as pointed out previously were more than likely taken from judo (so what nothing rong with that) as for the whole standing locks, wrist locks etc thing its been done to death out of thousands of grappling and MMA videos you can find a handful of standing subs being used (most finish on the ground like the kimura) and the rest are freakish in nature, if that doesn't tell you something about their usefulness then lord help you

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    Didnt watch vids but from some of the coversations im sure i didnt miss anything. Anything can work but for realism i would think simple and high percentage would be the answer.
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  8. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Peaceful Orchid View Post
    Um... who's stupid?

    That "standing" chi na ended up on the ground... exactly where I would predict it would.

    Seems like the guy who thinks a submission on the ground is standing chi na would be the stupid one.
    No - you didn't. YouKnowWho pointed out that standing chin na ends in ground submissions and then you went on a pointless, clueless, noob rant about how you can't take down someone with an arm lock unless they're a 12 year old girl. So I posted a vid of one of the top MMA fighters in the world being taken down by an arm lock. So, not only are you stupid, but in a way - you equated Renzo Gracie with a 12 year old girl, so that makes you really stupid.

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    It's crazy. Superman and Clark Kent have never met, despite both of them being close friends with Lois Lane. Whenever Superman is around, Clark never is. And they look and act so similarly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyB View Post
    No - you didn't. YouKnowWho pointed out that standing chin na ends in ground submissions and then you went on a pointless, clueless, noob rant about how you can't take down someone with an arm lock unless they're a 12 year old girl. So I posted a vid of one of the top MMA fighters in the world being taken down by an arm lock. So, not only are you stupid, but in a way - you equated Renzo Gracie with a 12 year old girl, so that makes you really stupid.
    What I pointed out was that particular wrist lock would almost never result in bringing the opponent to the ground. I said nothing about being able to take someone down with a kimura. Kimuras to the ground are standard defenses from single/double legs and when the opponent has one's back. Sakuraba used them very effectively throughout his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    Sorry to drag this dead, rotting, lifeless corpse of a horse back into the light of day....BUT I thought some of you who may not have seen a few of these photos might like the interesting tid bit i found on the art of war site. Not sure if this has been posted here, but it is interesting. for the practitioners of shuai jiao here, are these images shown similar to the practice you have, or do you not practice these types of submissions in your shuai jiao ?? if not, here is the disconnect?

    http://www.artofwarfc.cn/?q=node/276



    does not matter what they are called

    interested in counters.


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    Like all striking arts share many similarities, so do grappling arts.
    From the very first time a caveman slapped a "bong-bang" on an other cavemen to this very second where someone, somewhere, is slapping a "mata leao" on someone else.
    The only difference has been on the variations of the core submissions.
    It doesn't matter who borrowed from whom because they ALL borrowed from someone.
    As for whether systems A has these techniques the obvious answer is that would depend on the teacher and what the student is interested in learning.
    This should have ended with Frost post:
    Frost christ how many times can these threads come around....11 pages

    those subs at the start weren't great, as pointed out on this thread already, and as pointed out previously were more than likely taken from judo (so what nothing rong with that) as for the whole standing locks, wrist locks etc thing its been done to death out of thousands of grappling and MMA videos you can find a handful of standing subs being used (most finish on the ground like the kimura) and the rest are freakish in nature, if that doesn't tell you something about their usefulness then lord help you
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    Wait...is someone denying the infallibility of wrist control?

    In case anyone needs reminding of how important it is:
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