Chinese Qin Na Submission

[ShaolinDan]

My dad fended off his mother in law without getting cut when she attacked him with a knife... Don't ask.
I've been using standing submissions successfully in 'real' fights since I was a little kid--my dad taught me.

It's all about the relative skill of you and your opponent.

[mooyingmantis]

No they don't and no they aren't.



No they don't. What makes sense for real life is understanding that they rarely work and making adjustments accordingly.



Maybe by people who have never really had to defend against a real knife.

Your statements only prove that YOU are unable to do this.

I HAVE done this this against a noncompliant, resisting opponent and I have seen it done by others in the same situation.

Though I do agree that often the defender will be cut in any type of situation where you defend bare-handed against a knife. However, CUT is not DEAD!

[Peaceful Orchid]

You'd rather roll on the ground with a guy with a knife?

Of course not. But then, sometimes you have no choice in the matter:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/802461/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBVXglHeSxM

[Peaceful Orchid]

Your statements only prove that YOU are unable to do this.

What is shows is that I have seen many people get their as_ss_es handed to them trying to put on standing submissions.

I HAVE done this this against a noncompliant, resisting opponent and I have seen it done by others in the same situation.

Occasionally it happens as a fluke, especially if your opponent is smaller and lighter than you.

Again, there is a reason why all submission systems that train in realistic manners have the majority of their submissions on the ground.

[Peaceful Orchid]

It's all about the relative skill of you and your opponent.

Personally, I'd rather be prepared and use things that work against people of high skill levels.

[bawang]

qin na means clinching.

[Drake]

If you've seen or encountered multiple knife attacks, you should consider moving...

Most only see one or two. If any.

Posturing irritates me...

[Peaceful Orchid]

Never mind. Got you mixed up with that Dan guy.

He's the one you should talk to about the posturing.

[wenshu]

[Yao Sing]

personally im shocked that an actual decent discussion has lasted this long

Ray hasn't posted yet.

My dad fended off his mother in law without getting cut when she attacked him with a knife... Don't ask.

When my wife and I were first going out I had to save her from her mother twice. Once trying to beat her with a hammer and once trying to stab her with a screw driver. She was a little bit crazy. Ok, make that a lot crazy.

[Drake]

Ray hasn't posted yet.

Or has he...?

*conspiracy music*

[Yao Sing]

Personally, I'd rather be prepared and use things that work against people of high skill levels.

You must have some pretty tough crackhead muggers in your area. I normally don't expect to be attacked by Rampage Jackson or similar.

[Peaceful Orchid]

You must have some pretty tough crackhead muggers in your area. I normally don't expect to be attacked by Rampage Jackson or similar.

Why train for the lowest common denominator?

[Yao Sing]

What's wrong with training for most likely?

[Peaceful Orchid]

What's wrong with training for most likely?

I'd say that's a pretty good thing to do. And most likely is that you won't be throwing on standing qui na.