When are we going to stop this?

[YouKnowWho]

So, basically, the technique that you used as your prime example for standing chi na, is one you have never seen work for real and also depends on the opponent being stupid and/or slow enough not to let go when you make your move.

No wonder Ray gives you guys a hard time for living in fantasy-land.

I'm not in favor of wrist lock myself because my opponent still has too much freedom on his elbow joint, but I'm in favor of elbow lock, shoulder lock, waist (spine) lock, knee lock, ankle lock, and head lock.

I have used this elbow lock so many times on the mat. It's one of the 1st degree black belt testing requirement in ACSCA. One of my guys had shown this "elbow lock" in his Sambo/Judo club (all my guys have cross training) and those Sambo and Judo guys all loved it.

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