When are we going to stop this?

[Pork Chop]

So, if that's the case, why is a school of training that supposedly trains in a method akin to MMA competing something that is more related to something like Muay Thai rather than doing MMA which should be more representative of what they train?

2 reasons:
1. Shuai Chiao may do ground training, but the bread & butter that they're famous for is takedowns. Sanshou is not muay thai, takedowns score.
2. Shuai Chiao is a chinese art and sanshou is a chinese competition format.

You could go compete in a BJJ tournament as a Judoka, but it's probably just easier to find a Judo competition.

[YouKnowWho]

Could you post the list of the upcoming grappling competitions and the divisions your team will be competing in?

The "grappling competition" is done on individual level and not by the ACSCA (American Combat Shuai Chiao Association) level. The ACSCA does not encourage or discourage the integration of the "ground game". Since most people who trained "combat Shuai Chiao" already had BJJ or wrestling in their previous background (one of my guys even had 22 years in calligiate and freestyle wrestling and some coaching). The ground game was brought in without ACSCA officially involved.

David C. K. Lin will bring his guys to compete Shuai Chiao and Sanshou/Sanda in China this coming June. My guys will joint in his team this time.

[Peaceful Orchid]

2 reasons:
1. Shuai Chiao may do ground training, but the bread & butter that they're famous for is takedowns. Sanshou is not muay thai, takedowns score.
2. Shuai Chiao is a chinese art and sanshou is a chinese competition format.

You could go compete in a BJJ tournament as a Judoka, but it's probably just easier to find a Judo competition.

So it seems kind of disingenuous to call it the MMA of CMA.

[Peaceful Orchid]

mma today is NOTHING like vale tudo.

holy crap.

The no holds barred (nhb) was the inception point for modern mma.

Vale tudo was no gloves, no jock no mouthguard and anything went including fish hooks, eye gouges, elbows to the back of the head and the back, no tapping etc etc etc.

TO claim that mma is "like" that is...well, goofy in my opinion.
You don't honestly think people are dumb enough to elevate today's sport fighting to that kind of violence do you?

UFC and Strikforce pretty much define what modern mma is.

Vale Tudo is a step away from stabbing each other to death. If it had knives, that is exactly what would happen. Way beyond what we see now with timed rounds, the 32 rules , tapping etc etc.

man, people talk crap!

If you are responding to my post, it seems like you are the one who talks uninformed crap, considering the fact that I didn't say MMA was like Vale Tudo. I said it was a watered down version that has evolved for marketing, business, and public acceptance reasons.

[Peaceful Orchid]

The "grappling competition" is done on individual level and not by the ACSCA (American Combat Shuai Chiao Association) level. The ACSCA does not encourage or discourage the integration of the "ground game". Since most people who trained "combat Shuai Chiao" already had BJJ or wrestling in their previous background, the ground game was brought in without ACSCA involved.

So basically, when you said this:

All of my guys train "ground fight" today. One of my guys even won the 2nd place in local "grappling tournament".

You really meant that one of the guys who trains with you and was already trained in the ground game before he trained with went on his own to a local grappling tourney to compete.

[David Jamieson]

Hey look everyone! It's Japanese Nick Cage!



I mean, if we're going to talk silly crap...

kf..is that you?

[David Jamieson]

If you are responding to my post, it seems like you are the one who talks uninformed crap, considering the fact that I didn't say MMA was like Vale Tudo. I said it was a watered down version that has evolved for marketing, business, and public acceptance reasons.

Think much of yourself? The tack you were going with it is what I was talking about and you're still wrong.

NHB is where american or modern mma comes form.

Vale Tudo was at best, AT BEST somewhat inspirational to it.

[Peaceful Orchid]

Think much of yourself? The tack you were going with it is what I was talking about and you're still wrong.

NHB is where american or modern mma comes form.

Vale Tudo was at best, AT BEST somewhat inspirational to it.

The first three UFCs (which was known as NHB back then) were the same rulesets as the original Vale Tudo matches. Current MMA is a direct evolution of those early UFC's.

Brazilian Vale Tudo >>> American/Asian/European NHB >>> Current MMA

[Drake]

There's Superman... but where's Clark Kent? He must be out getting orange juice... freshly squeezed.

[JamesC]

So...


MMA vs TMA



Also...


Chuck Norris

[sanjuro_ronin]

There's Superman... but where's Clark Kent? He must be out getting orange juice... freshly squeezed.

he's never around when...hey...wait a minute !

[sanjuro_ronin]

So...


MMA vs TMA



Also...


Chuck Norris

Chuck Norris has been mentioned.
Thread is over.
Internet is beaten !

[Lucas]

[Iron_Eagle_76]

Chuck Norris has been mentioned.
Thread is over.
Internet is beaten !

[sanjuro_ronin]