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    Quote Originally Posted by mooyingmantis View Post
    Here is a video I made of four of the drills
    I meant that I would like to see the Ren Family fanche lulu fist form.
    Glad to see open heart surgery doesn't stop your kung fu training.
    I will use that as one of my stories next time someone in class looks like they are getting tired (ok with you?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainan Mantis View Post
    I meant that I would like to see the Ren Family fanche lulu fist form.
    Kevin,
    Yes, I knew what you meant. I just happened to find that website while Googling Fanche. I had never heard of them or that version of Fanche history. So, I posted it to see if anyone else here had heard of either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tainan Mantis View Post
    Glad to see open heart surgery doesn't stop your kung fu training.
    Thanks! I wish my wife was a glad. LOL!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tainan Mantis View Post
    I will use that as one of my stories next time someone in class looks like they are getting tired (ok with you?).
    LOL! Ok with me. Though some may say my forty plus years love for the arts borders on fanaticism. Oh well, we are all examples whether for good or bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainan Mantis View Post
    Where is 'one elbow shields half the body'?
    It is on 3rd zhai yao.

    What other form?
    None that I know of. How do you determine that it is in Xiao Fanche 2nd rd? Which family teaches it this way?
    In this version of the Taiji Meihua Tanglangquan Xiao Fanche, in the second line, I believe we see "one elbow shields half of the body" in place of the leaping and striking:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGACT8s4Zk8

    Sorry that it took a while to find this again to answer your question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooyingmantis View Post
    in the second line, I believe we see "one elbow shields half of the body" in place of the leaping and striking:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGACT8s4Zk8
    Yes, I see it there.
    Why is it there?
    Is 'one elbow shields half the body' there because it was always there?
    Or is it because the original technque is too odd, and therefore the teacher made a change?

    I happen the suspect the latter.
    I notice that the end of this version of xiao fanche does not conform to traditional characteristics of this form.
    Moves at the end such as waist chop are not found in xiao fanche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainan Mantis View Post
    Yes, I see it there.
    Why is it there?
    Is 'one elbow shields half the body' there because it was always there?
    Or is it because the original technque is too odd, and therefore the teacher made a change?

    I happen the suspect the latter.
    I notice that the end of this version of xiao fanche does not conform to traditional characteristics of this form.
    Moves at the end such as waist chop are not found in xiao fanche
    Yes, I agree on all points.

    The wide spread use of the hopping and chopping in the Qixing, Babu and Pachi families would point to your opinion as being the correct one.

    Though here is another Taiji Meihua school that uses the "one elbow shields half the body":

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2inEvZGbnc

    In this video the ending is quite a bit longer.

    BTW, do you have the traditional name for the hopping and chopping technique? I know what it is called in HK QXTLQ, but not in the Meihua ancestry lines.

    Thank you!
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    great discussion.

    Would anyone like to give thoughts on the difference between WHF small Wheel and CCM versions. I have done both Dai Fan Che and Siu Fan Che from LKW lineage.

    The Siu Fan Che I was taught is completely different to the WHF anniversary party version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul T England View Post
    great discussion.

    Would anyone like to give thoughts on the difference between WHF small Wheel and CCM versions. I have done both Dai Fan Che and Siu Fan Che from LKW lineage.

    The Siu Fan Che I was taught is completely different to the WHF anniversary party version.

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    Paul,
    Good topic!

    I cannot speak specifically on the WHF vs CCM Xiao Fanche, since I have not yet seen the CCM version. Care to put it up on YouTube?

    However, last week my NPM instructor, Mike Biggie, and I were discussing the differences between the actual fanche movements of the CCM and WHF lines. Sifu Biggie has trained in both the WHF and CCM lines.

    The WHF fanche movement is longer and the circles reach from front to rear to front. Both the front and the sides are fully guarded.

    The CCM fanche movement whirls more in front of the body, rather than reaching to the rear.

    He explained that while the WHF whirling is designed more for wide range blocking and striking, the CCM whirling emphasizes more compact catching and striking.

    To paint a clearer picture of what I mean, let us picture three swinging motions within each fanche:

    WHF - the right forearm smashes down the enemy's first incoming attack, the left forearm smashes down the enemy's second incoming attack, the right fist crashes into the top of the enemy's head.

    CCM - the right hand swings in to capture the enemy's first incoming wrist, the left hand swings in to capture the enemy's second incoming wrist, the right hand crashes into the junction of the enemy's neck and shoulder.

    Clear as mud yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooyingmantis View Post
    do you have the traditional name for the hopping and chopping technique? I know what it is called in HK QXTLQ, but not in the Meihua ancestry lines.

    Thank you!
    No, I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainan Mantis View Post
    No, I don't.
    Ok, thank you anyways!

    Does anyone else know the traditional name of this move?
    Last edited by mooyingmantis; 09-07-2012 at 10:18 AM.
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    The original name for this posture in Seven Stars Praying Mantis was 'luàn pī chái' (Splitting firewood) also known as 'mā xiù luàn pī chái' (Slipping off one's sleeve & splitting firewood).

    The posture you are trying to describe is 'jiá zhǒu'. Within old Seven Stars Praying Mantis this was found in the forms Da Fanche and Chachui not Xiao Fanche.

    Best wishes,

    Jaime Rodriguez

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kui De Tang View Post
    The original name for this posture in Seven Stars Praying Mantis was 'luàn pī chái' (Splitting firewood) also known as 'mā xiù luàn pī chái' (Slipping off one's sleeve & splitting firewood).

    The posture you are trying to describe is 'jiá zhǒu'. Within old Seven Stars Praying Mantis this was found in the forms Da Fanche and Chachui not Xiao Fanche.

    Best wishes,

    Jaime Rodriguez
    Thank you for your response! Very Informative!

    Would these be the correct Chinese characters?

    亂 劈 柴
    抹 袖 亂 劈 柴
    頡 肘

    How does your branch interpret the application?
    Last edited by mooyingmantis; 09-08-2012 at 11:59 AM.
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    A Mystery, Can You Solve It?

    Does anyone recognize this version of fanche?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAQR...ature=youtu.be

    It looks like the Xiao Fanche of Wang Rengang (MHTLQ) to me.
    Last edited by mooyingmantis; 09-08-2012 at 12:24 PM.
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