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    Quote Originally Posted by Tainan Mantis View Post
    What most likely happened based in the information I have heard and manuals I hav read is that Jiang Hualong put additional movements into Beng Bu. The version commonly practiced by 7 Star Schools and some Taiji Mantis descended from Sun, I think it was SUn Yuanchang, seems to follow closest the manuscript of Liang Xuexiang.

    So, you can compare the Seven Star and SUn Yuanchang, which includes Zhao Zhuxi of HK, to get an idea. What it actually looked like 150 years ago who knows? But, the idea and applications....

    As for the creator, that I can not say, and I have tried to peice that together, but I can not.
    Thank you for your detailed and honest assessment!

    So, are you saying that you believe the beng bu passed down to Master Cui is the one influenced by Master Jiang Hualong?

    Yes, I have compared the three forms you mentioned above. Some similarities, some differences. But each are interesting and valuable I think.

    The version practiced by Master Cui's students also has similarities to the forms mentioned above, but far more differences than similarities. Though I also like that version and believe it is very valuable.

    Sometimes I think differences can teach us as much as similarities.
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    Zhang Fu Zhou is a student of Grandmaster Wang Guo Dian, who was a student of Great Grandmaster Ren Feng Rui. GM Wang Guo Dian and GM Chiu both studied under GGM Ren Feng Rui in Yantai.

    This is why most of Zhang Fu Zhou's forms and the style they play are so similar to CCK TCPM. In the case of Beng Bu, we can see that there is an opening kick in both lines despite of the orientation, that is not found in any other version of Beng Bu available. One might say that is the stylistic marker of the Sun Yuan Chang line.

    Having said that there is the matter of the designation between Zhang's Meihua and TCPM/TJPM. My take on that is that the Meihua line has White Ape series; whereas, the TJPM line has no White Ape series at all. I would venture to say TJPM has more of a "mantis" oriented program or pure mantis style within the Greater Meihua line.

    BTW, I don't think Beng Bu is an original Tanglang creation. It is not a Tanglang form per se. I believe it is adapted into the Greater Meihua Line via Liang Xuexiang, who happened to have learned it from his profession as a caravan escort. Nonetheless, it is still a great form.

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    Robert, why do you think bengbu is not a mantis form?

    By the way, Yantai was never the capital of Shandong province... it wasnt even a city until the 50s, before that it was just a small town called zhifu

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    A Possible Origin?

    An instructor of Wang Yushan's lineage goes by the avatar of "laoshiangelo" on YouTube. Here is his explanation of the development of this form:

    this is TAI JI TANG LANG QUAN BENG BU QUAN, so we can call it TAI JI BENG BU, from gran master SONG ZI DE, he mixed together MEI HUA LU, LAN JIE and BENG BU QUAN ( Qi Xing Tang Lang Quan Version).


    And here is the version that he practices:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxrVuy4BxWU
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    Angelo is QXTL, under Chen Leping (formerly Lee Kam Wing). He also learnt a little TJTL from Tao Zengan but I'm pretty sure he doesn't even teach that material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.Tunks View Post
    Angelo is QXTL, under Chen Leping (formerly Lee Kam Wing). He also learnt a little TJTL from Tao Zengan but I'm pretty sure he doesn't even teach that material.

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    Brendan,

    Thanks for the info!

    What are your ideas on the creation/development of beng bu on the Mainland? Does your lineage agree with the idea that Sun Yuanchang created the original form? Or do they have another idea you can share?
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    I've got some ideas on it but there is not much too much evidence either way. From a historical point of view the actual creator is unverifiable at the moment (as far as the 'standard', 'Da' or Yantai version is concerned). As far as my family's view on things, it is not necessarily mine unless supported by evidence.

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