What is qi?

[Scott R. Brown]

Spoken like a true external person, I am not advocating chi gives more power than lifting weights, that is not what we are saying.

It is more about efficiency of energy, than raw power, since you already have made it clear that you have not done the necessary training to know what we are talking about, your view does not mean much as far as internal jing is concerned.

Just keep up your weight training, and hope in old age it works. Lol



Cheers

Spoken like a truly ignorant person!

Any elite athlete understands how to use their energy efficiently absent qigong training! I have been an elite athlete, something most martial artists, haven't been!

It is part of any expertise in any activity. I refer you to Chuang Tzu's Butcher!

Do you think an Olympic Diver, a Football Lineman, and Ballet Dancer, an Opera Singer, an elite Potter, a Mixed Martial Artist does not understand efficiency of movement?

Save your ignorant comments for your peanut gallery!

[Hendrik]

Spoken like a truly ignorant person!

Any elite athlete understands how to use their energy efficiently absent qigong training!

Too bad different type of energy.

[Robinhood]

Spoken like a truly ignorant person!

Any elite athlete understands how to use their energy efficiently absent qigong training! I have been an elite athlete, something most martial artists, haven't been!

It is part of any expertise in any activity. I refer you to Chuang Tzu's Butcher!

Do you think an Olympic Diver, a Football Lineman, and Ballet Dancer, an Opera Singer, an elite Potter, a Mixed Martial Artist does not understand efficiency of movement?

Save your ignorant comments for your peanut gallery!

You still don't get it, we are not talking about athletic efficiency , we are talking about something you don't have a clue about, so that makes you the ignorant one.

Why don't you give it a rest, you can't talk about something that you have no experience with.

When we want to talk about external training your view will hold more weight.
Since most everyone here has trained externally already, we are familiar with the benefits of hard long external training and is is not what we are talking about here.

See Ya

[No_Know]

What is it?

Simple explanations only please.

I think I know what it is but I would like to hear what other people think it is also. I will post my definition after a few replies.

I No_Know, however, I think qi might be considered to be something like frequency modulation, on a quark level-allowing for interaction outside the Human body and greater efficiency of atomic/cellular structures within a Human body.

No_Know

[nasmedicine]

I No_Know, however, I think qi might be considered to be something like frequency modulation, on a quark level-allowing for interaction outside the Human body and greater efficiency of atomic/cellular structures within a Human body.

No_Know

frequency/vibration definitely has something to do with the equation, however at what level and at what frequency is much debatable.

[Shadow_warrior8]

Can your elite athelete do this?

Hard qigong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTSXx1ks0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEOSk...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PdvZ...eature=related

Qigong Healing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap7WZX_xc8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGIN0...eature=related

Nei Gong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOK3H...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVNvz...eature=related

[anerlich]

Maybe if we ignore him he will go away.

Hasn't worked with Hendrik. Or you, for that matter.

[Shadow_warrior8]

What is qi, yi, energy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufVjd...eature=related

[taai gihk yahn]

Very interesting hypothesis. Further investigation warranted. Could very well be related to the observed phenomenon.

exactly - it could be; but it does need investigation; point is that it is an inclusive perspective: it acknowledges the subjective experience people describe, but it conjectures a physiologically observable substrate for it;

But is that ABSOLUTE prove of what Qi is? The way we can say "lightling" is a stream of electrons? I am not going to pretend that I know beyond resonable doubt.

it's not stating what "qi" is per se, because there is no one "thing" for there to be; but it is providing an hypothesis for how people perceive one of the commonly described aspects (that feeling of pressure or fullness like when doing a "qi" ball) that to do date does not have a physiological explanation;

[imperialtaichi]

it's not stating what "qi" is per se, because there is no one "thing" for there to be; but it is providing an hypothesis for how people perceive one of the commonly described aspects (that feeling of pressure or fullness like when doing a "qi" ball) that to do date does not have a physiological explanation;

Agree.

I will read up on the link when I get a chance.

[Scott R. Brown]

Can your elite athelete do this?

Hard qigong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTSXx1ks0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEOSk...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PdvZ...eature=related

Qigong Healing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap7WZX_xc8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGIN0...eature=related

Nei Gong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOK3H...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVNvz...eature=related

It is not a question of whether they do, it is a question of whether they, or anyone else could. The answer is yes!

You still don't get it, we are not talking about athletic efficiency , we are talking about something you don't have a clue about, so that makes you the ignorant one.

Why don't you give it a rest, you can't talk about something that you have no experience with.

When we want to talk about external training your view will hold more weight.
Since most everyone here has trained externally already, we are familiar with the benefits of hard long external training and is is not what we are talking about here.

See Ya

No, I get it, it is you who doesn't get it!

You cannot demonstrate any clear benefit to the practice of the circulation of qi that cannot be demonstrated absent the traditional Chinese methodology.

One must demonstrate a practical benefit of qigong that only it can produce, and this can not be done. Anything argued to have been the sole accomplishment of qigong can be demonstrated through other non-qigong methodology.

Since this is a martial arts forum, please demonstrate how qigong allows one to surpass the physical abilities one may obtain by merely hard consistent training over time. You cannot do so! No one is able to do so!

Therefore a reasonable person concludes there is nothing special concerning qigong training Even those who profess a long and healthier life due to qigong cannot demonstrate it to be the sole factor that caused the result absent other contributing factors.

That is because qigong falls under the heading, generally speaking, as magical thinking.

That is not to say there are absolutely no benefits to practicing qigong, only that it is merely one of many methodologies capable of providing identical benefits.

And Hendricks descriptions are only one way of describing the effects.

[imperialtaichi]

Can your elite athelete do this?

Hard qigong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTSXx1ks0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEOSk...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PdvZ...eature=related

Hello SW8, these are truly amazing demonstrations. I am not taking any credit away, these are truly great skills/techniques; nor am I arguing with you in any way. Just some thoughts thats all.

first one: what whould happen if someone else is holding the drill?
second one: again, if someone else is holding the bat?
third one: the master talks about "bringing the testicals up" and the medical specialist talks about involving involuntary muscles. To be able to have such control, is that Qi?

I'm just trying to be objective, and look at different angles. Not trying to argue.

[Shadow_warrior8]

Hello SW8, these are truly amazing demonstrations. I am not taking any credit away, these are truly great skills/techniques; nor am I arguing with you in any way. Just some thoughts thats all.

first one: what whould happen if someone else is holding the drill?
second one: again, if someone else is holding the bat?
third one: the master talks about "bringing the testicals up" and the medical specialist talks about involving involuntary muscles. To be able to have such control, is that Qi?

I'm just trying to be objective, and look at different angles. Not trying to argue.

Hi John,

its great to chat and share.

Well the truth is, ask any person who has serious searched for answers beyond the so called norm, and you will find out that, we actually dont know as much as we think we know

These links will help start the journey
http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Medicin.../dp/0443062617

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFN32U69LBk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZJcU...eature=related

Qi awareness and mindfulness is a very old thing, and the hindus, chinese, koreans, japanese and even the western cultures have it- in the form of hermetics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism
It was a way of life, a way of seeing things, outside and inside, a way to understand energy. Chinese talk about the 3 treasures, and people like daniel reid, bruce frantzis, ken cohen have written extensively on neigong, chi gong and chinese traditional chinese medicine and practices.

The sad thing about people who debunk chi never ever did any courses of qigong from any credible teacher. And they also criticise the people and professionals, doctors, scientists who are in these experiments and tests as if they know better.

Some qigong links done by scientists and doctors

http://www.yinyang-institute.com/qigong/effects_ms.htm

http://www.qigonghealing.com/qigong/research.html

http://homepage3.nifty.com/kokusai_k...D%20IN%20BLOOD

[imperialtaichi]

Since this is a martial arts forum, please demonstrate how qigong allows one to surpass the physical abilities one may obtain by merely hard consistent training over time. You cannot do so! No one is able to do so!.....

.....That is not to say there are absolutely no benefits to practicing qigong, only that it is merely one of many methodologies capable of providing identical benefits.

Again, I'm just making suggestions here, so don't jump on me, I'm just suggesting....

I'm sure we have all heard of this one: It is well documented in many studies that, when divided in three groups of people practicing shooting basketball; one group does nothing, one group meditates/imagine shooting basketballs, and the third group actually physically shoots. Result shows group three improves significantly (obviously), group one made no improvement (no surprise); but the interesting thing is, group two, who only meditated/imagined, actually made some serious improvements as well.

So, can "Qigong" type of training, provide benefits where physical activities alone cannot produce, by "re-mapping" the brain in a way that physical activities cannot? If so (or not so), what are the mechanisms involved?

[imperialtaichi]

Hi John,

its great to chat and share.

Well the truth is, ask any person who has serious searched for answers beyond the so called norm, and you will find out that, we actually dont know as much as we think we know

These links will help start the journey
http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Medicin.../dp/0443062617

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFN32U69LBk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZJcU...eature=related

Qi awareness and mindfulness is a very old thing, and the hindus, chinese, koreans, japanese and even the western cultures have it- in the form of hermetics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism
It was a way of life, a way of seeing things, outside and inside, a way to understand energy. Chinese talk about the 3 treasures, and people like daniel reid, bruce frantzis, ken cohen have written extensively on neigong, chi gong and chinese traditional chinese medicine and practices.

The sad thing about people who debunk chi never ever did any courses of qigong from any credible teacher. And they also criticise the people and professionals, doctors, scientists who are in these experiments and tests as if they know better.

Some qigong links done by scientists and doctors

http://www.yinyang-institute.com/qigong/effects_ms.htm

http://www.qigonghealing.com/qigong/research.html

http://homepage3.nifty.com/kokusai_k...D%20IN%20BLOOD

Thanks for the links. I'm going to be spending my weekend reading!

p.s. recently I read the Kybalion. Fascinating book.