Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang

[scholar]

Wu style taijiquan has lots of wrestling. Throws, foot sweeps, locks, etc. Not many schools train it today, but a few still have it...

[Robinhood]

You forget to mention the major mission part and that is "Taiji has no leg usage". How can a grappler doesn't know how to sweep, cut, hook, lift, twist, trip, scoop, spring, ...

Ther are other major grappling elements that are also missing in Taiji. There are:

- touch head to knee.
- twist body on the spine line.
- balance on single leg.
- ...

For example, the "cloud hands" work well with 'foot sweep". Where is the "foot sweep" in Taiji?

Long time ago I had created a new Taiji form with those leg usage integrated into it. My teacher said, "Don't give to Taiji the credit that it doesn't deserve." I no longer teach that new Taiji form to anybody.

Movement is only a tool to get to no movement. Don't dwell on the tool.

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&fe...&v=Holnh-VEysA

Enjoy

The 3 jins are all grounded with feet or started from feet.

Opening and closing of the chest and back

Rotation of the waist

are all rooted with the feet.

Start from the feet and end with the feet.

Waist, chest and back are relaying and storing the jin from the ground and then release jin via elbow, shoulder and fist etc etc.

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[bawang]

You forget to mention the major mission part and that is "Taiji has no leg usage". How can a grappler doesn't know how to sweep, cut, hook, lift, twist, trip, scoop, spring, ...

what u talking about? taijiquan has sweeps.

[YouKnowWho]

taijiquan has sweeps.

Which move in the Taiji form?

[Vajramusti]

what u talking about? taijiquan has sweeps.

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yup

[YouKnowWho]

The "foot sweep" does not exist in Yang (Chang) 108 long form. It also doesn't exist in Chen form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIMZKWOaWPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fzIcFnSpdQ

Please show me a Taiji solo form clip that has "foot sweep". The "foot sweep" will require the leg to move into one direction while the upper body to twist into the opposite direction. Both Yang, Chang, and Chen just don't train such kind of body twisting.

[bawang]

spread wing is inner sweep, ride tiger is outer sweep.

[YouKnowWho]

spread wing is inner sweep, ride tiger is outer sweep.

There is no "body twisting" and "sweeping motion" on either move.

[bawang]

chinese wrestling doesnt use jackets so the leg movement is not as exaggerated as manchu buku.

[SPJ]

chen tai ji 2nd routine or older forms

they have double and triple leg sweeps

just like in shaolin fist forms.

the solution to leg sweep or sao tui.

is tornado kick or jump up one foot after another to avoid double leg sweeps back to back.

etc etc.

[Vajramusti]

You know who knows all styles!!

[YouKnowWho]

I have not seen move like this in any style of Taiji forms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNLCZwOkJjE

[bawang]

is that single leg ride tiger?

[YouKnowWho]

is that single leg ride tiger?

The Taiji "ride tiger" is an left foot forward "empty stance" before you spin into your outside crescent kick (lotus kick). It has no sweep intention.

Of course you can say that even if foot sweep doesn't exist in the form, it exists in the drills. In that case, you can also say that "flying knee" exist in Taiji drills as well. Drills can be added into the system anytime by anybody.