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    A problem posed in the Joe Louis P4 Atricle; How would you WCers deal with this?

    Hi All
    I just posted a link on the above mentioned essay and it got me thinking about how WC would deal with the following problem

    "Just how much he needs that uppercut becomes apparent as the rest of the round plays itself out. Louis spoke after the first fight of his concern for his hands. Beating a tattoo upon Godoy’s bowed head, he claims to have never risked the wrath of his full-blooded straight punches in that fight—there is indeed a noted difference in the Louis jab, which Blackburn has convinced him he needs to throw with impunity in the second meeting—but the straight right stays in the holster. The other punches skit and whistle off Godoy as he burrows in, the angles are all wrong as he gets inside the arc of the left hook and even that messier cross. Whenever a near-to-flush punch finds him, he dips even lower to ditch whatever comes behind it. Through the second, third, fourth and fifth Louis peppered uppercuts into what may have seemed at the time a repeat of the first fight, but that punch was telling. Sometimes he just lifted them into the face or body of the oncoming Chilean as he mauled forwards, low-risk, low-reward punches that did a cumulative damage to his opponent. But every now and again he would turn the style on and throw the punch as it’s described in How to Box, giving it “the slight twist of the hip” that will often “send your opponent tumbling to the canvas.”


    So what its saying is that Louis, as a master straight puncher, had problems with the crouching, high guard-lead with the forehead style fighter.

    His remedy to this was the uppercut, and a very good one at that.

    So, youve got a guy bearing in on you, very high guard, not afraid to be hit on the forehead.... good left-right motion throwing big looping bombs at you, as a WC guy what do do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennR View Post
    Hi All
    I just posted a link on the above mentioned essay and it got me thinking about how WC would deal with the following problem

    "Just how much he needs that uppercut becomes apparent as the rest of the round plays itself out. Louis spoke after the first fight of his concern for his hands. Beating a tattoo upon Godoy’s bowed head, he claims to have never risked the wrath of his full-blooded straight punches in that fight—there is indeed a noted difference in the Louis jab, which Blackburn has convinced him he needs to throw with impunity in the second meeting—but the straight right stays in the holster. The other punches skit and whistle off Godoy as he burrows in, the angles are all wrong as he gets inside the arc of the left hook and even that messier cross. Whenever a near-to-flush punch finds him, he dips even lower to ditch whatever comes behind it. Through the second, third, fourth and fifth Louis peppered uppercuts into what may have seemed at the time a repeat of the first fight, but that punch was telling. Sometimes he just lifted them into the face or body of the oncoming Chilean as he mauled forwards, low-risk, low-reward punches that did a cumulative damage to his opponent. But every now and again he would turn the style on and throw the punch as it’s described in How to Box, giving it “the slight twist of the hip” that will often “send your opponent tumbling to the canvas.”


    So what its saying is that Louis, as a master straight puncher, had problems with the crouching, high guard-lead with the forehead style fighter.

    His remedy to this was the uppercut, and a very good one at that.

    So, youve got a guy bearing in on you, very high guard, not afraid to be hit on the forehead.... good left-right motion throwing big looping bombs at you, as a WC guy what do do?
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    angle to avoid the looping shots and kick the crap out of his knees and shins, knee him to the thighs, ribs and head (well if he's going to put it down there) and use elbows, spade palms and punches to the neck and base of the skull.
    Wing Chun isn't boxing, we don't have to fight by the same rules
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    Quote Originally Posted by wingchunIan View Post
    angle to avoid the looping shots and kick the crap out of his knees and shins, knee him to the thighs, ribs and head (well if he's going to put it down there) and use elbows, spade palms and punches to the neck and base of the skull.
    Wing Chun isn't boxing, we don't have to fight by the same rules
    Nice reply Ian, pretty much my thoughts, though on a personal level id add uppercuts being the hybrid mongrel dog i am

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