Discussion about WCK history-lineage

[LoneTiger108]

Personally I am not interested in hearing even more stories about self promoters and the like from you guys here!!

BUT I would urge anyone who is learning Wing Chun to listen to what the old boy Chow Sze Chuen is saying because there are some little flecks of gold dust in this clip about Ip Mans method of teaching (especially about the blades) All from 1st hand experience which, in some parts, even looks as though he is embarrassing others present with his strong words of wisdom...

[stonecrusher69]

I guess everyone wants to believe Ip Man taught everyone the same,and everyone has the same information..

[Vajramusti]

I guess everyone wants to believe Ip Man taught everyone the same,and everyone has the same information..

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Also even in classes there a A, B, C, D, F students, irregular attendees and sporadic auditors.......
For me it's simple...the blades were controlling him rather than the other way around.

[Vajramusti]

Re: Chow tze chuen and Stephen Chan claims and marketing.::

There are lots of kicks in wing chun development-though in application the kicks are even more dependent on single leg balances than the hands. Chow sifu is leaning back on some of his kicks-
a no no.

Ip man himself was a very very good kicker in his time.Many of his students did not learn much kicking in the open classes-but his kicks came out from nowhere in chi sao and gor sao and lat sao.
Wing chun kicking and footwork are closely inter-related. Ip Man did not do chi sao with most of his students. IMO- it shows.

I normally would not comment on Chow sifu or any other IM direct student- but together with Chan's marketing - he is too critical of other IM students. Unfortunately beating one's own drum exclusively has become too common. PS-the blooming ego and self promotion..Chow also said that he corrected IM's dummy motions because IM was being forgetful.

[GlennR]

Personally I am not interested in hearing even more stories about self promoters and the like from you guys here!!

BUT I would urge anyone who is learning Wing Chun to listen to what the old boy Chow Sze Chuen is saying because there are some little flecks of gold dust in this clip about Ip Mans method of teaching (especially about the blades) All from 1st hand experience which, in some parts, even looks as though he is embarrassing others present with his strong words of wisdom...

I think youre too kind Spencer, his "wisdom" was hidden behind his own, not so subtle, chest beating

[Vajramusti]

I think youre too kind Spencer, his "wisdom" was hidden behind his own, not so subtle, chest beating

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lol....

and Chan's body oil.

[LoneTiger108]

I think youre too kind Spencer, his "wisdom" was hidden behind his own, not so subtle, chest beating

Really?? An old man chest beating for the camera?? Never in a million years...

I found the chat about how to beat the 'Gweilo' quite an eye opener considering the previous threads on how Ip man didn't know Pinsan, yet Chow mentions it loads as being fundamental to the knives and fist work of Wing Chun.

It's Chan I'm not interested in, but having seen Chow in action in Foshan, and hearing his no nonsene memories of his actual time learning with Ip Man I think we could all learn a little from him to be honest... of course if you run a business teaching Wing Chun you obviously WILL be offended by what he has to say about that!

Oh! And obviously nobody knows the secret knife methods either, and he proves that to be fact by saying some 'made theirs up to save face'!! I mean, that's pure genius AND 100% honest IMHHHO because he says it all with such conviction.

Of course, he was only talking of the people he 'knew' who learnt knife as he was 1 of only 3 in his day... and the arguments continue...

[Vajramusti]

[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1180564]Really?? An old man chest beating for the camera?? Never in a million years...

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Not just for the camera-also doe what is called the selfish gene- perpetuation of progeny.

I was not impressed with his knife motions.
Enough for me. Cheers.

[LoneTiger108]

I was not impressed with his knife motions.

I thought he done considerably well for his age, and showed more distinctive Tang Ma methods than I generally see from young whipper snappers lol!

Even a little shadowless kick was thrown in too at one point

[Robinhood]

Henrick has more real history then those guys here say stuff.

Just More trees, still missing forest.

[Vajramusti]

How is this related to me... ?

J,

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not directed at you Jox. Just explaining my intent,

The internet conversations often destroy intent.

[anerlich]

Henrick has more real history then those guys here say stuff.

Jeez, you're even starting to post with his, er ... unusual grammar.

A real hero-worshipper would learn to spell his hero's name correctly, however.

[kentchang]

Henrick has more real history then those guys here say stuff.

You must be kidding

[Vajramusti]

Lineage stories are just that -stories.