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"If you like metal you're my friend" -- Manowar
"I am the cosmic storms, I am the tiny worms" -- Dimmu Borgir
<BombScare> i beat the internet
<BombScare> the end guy is hard.
Christian's Fitness Factory in Lancaster PA sells kettlebells for a $1.16 per pound. I'm fortunate enough to have gone to an I Liq Chuan class there last year, so I was able to go to CFF and buy a 16kg/35lb and a 24kg/53lb for under $100 bucks without having to spring for shipping.
Whatever controversy there is about Pavel, I think Enter The Kettlebell is a great introductory DVD for this stuff. I also have Mike Mahler's beginner workshop level 1 DVD, but I have yet to really watch it. Which I should.
Greetings,
I noticed that Pavel's accent was not consistent from the very beginning. I thought it was just his marketing gimmick. Nevertheless, he did have something to offer. Sometimes, you have to separate the messenger from the message.
mickey
its his message i have issue with, he was a strength guy first, said weight were for strength NOT conditioning you should not mix the two...then all of the sudden weights were for conditioning but only his special kettlebell...
his accent and the whole comrade thing was a marketing gimmick, and at that he is a genius no doubt
Hi Frost,
I am thankful someone else saw the gimmick.
You have to understand that it took Pavel an awfully long time to be able to pronounce "conditioning" consistently with a "Russian" accent. It was much easier for him to say "strength" that way.
He is not the first to conduct himself like that. Take a look at Joe Weider. This guy was hard core against High Intensity Training. High volume was his thing. Now that Arthur Jones is gone, his magazine is chock full of athletes who trained the HIT way and Joe Weider now says that he has always been about High Intensity Training. In both cases, it keeps them relevant and keeps the money coming in. As consumers we have the right to dump these guys at any time. A long time ago, the late Jack Lalanne tried to cash in on the sudden vitamin craze with a supplement that contained vitamin "G"-- it doesn't exist.
mickey
"if its ok for shaolin wuseng to break his vow then its ok for me to sneak behind your house at 3 in the morning and bang your dog if buddha is in your heart then its ok"-Bawang
"I get what you have said in the past, but we are not intuitive fighters. As instinctive fighters, we can chuck spears and claw and bite. We are not instinctively god at punching or kicking."-Drake
"Princess? LMAO hammer you are such a pr^t"-Frost
You obviously don't have access to a Walmart
http://www.walmart.com/ip/CAP-Barbel...ebell/14894508
"if its ok for shaolin wuseng to break his vow then its ok for me to sneak behind your house at 3 in the morning and bang your dog if buddha is in your heart then its ok"-Bawang
"I get what you have said in the past, but we are not intuitive fighters. As instinctive fighters, we can chuck spears and claw and bite. We are not instinctively god at punching or kicking."-Drake
"Princess? LMAO hammer you are such a pr^t"-Frost
Ok fair question and it’s a bit of both
A well know S and C coach in the states who has worked a lot with the old soviet union coaches and scientists related a story of when one of those said coaches came to his facility and saw the kettlebells being sold over here, he ask why were the handles so small? Because in the programmes in the USSR (this guy had been a top 10 decathlon athlete over there as well as a full time coach) they were used for ankle mobility so the handles had to be bigger and leg drills (swings etc) they were also used for throwing drill. Said coach had also never heard of pavel neither had any of the others the guy had worked with over the years.
Yuri Verkhoshansky,father of modern plyometrics usd them for throws and squat jumps nothing more. So the soviets used them differently than they are being marketed over here and only sparingly,
So for me they are over priced, over hyped and over sold, just like functional training, bands and lord knows what else.
Everyone want s the new gimmick, the new cutting edge way to fitness, but the truth is what worked in the 40’s and 50’s works now, heavy basic compound lifts, and there’s nothing you can do with kettlebells that you cant be with cheaper dumbbells
I wonder if that was a contextual reference.
Anyway, regardless of Pavel's history, he has expanded my knowledge by more than probably anyone else regarding strength training and was always cool to answer my questions (back in the beginning before DragonDoor got popular and Pavel was posting on their forum).
I've heard most of his stuff is just rehashed Zatsiorsky or other soviet stuff. That's fine. It's so different from what is typically taught, and it's not like Pavel is claiming to have discovered any of it.
The only thing I don't like about that company is DragonDoor's marketing. They spam my inbox with so much junk mail trying to get me to sign up for seminars, buy new products, and once they even send out some obvious internet marketing "expand your business" or "get rich quick" type nonsense. It was really spammy and I remember checking their forums around that time and a bunch of people were complaining.
I remember in the beginning Pavel was also really anti-bodybuilding. I think that was just marketing schtick. It also somehow lead to this mistaken notion some people have that bodybuilders aren't strong, which is laughable.
Most bodybuilders aren't as strong relative to their size as powerlifters and other strength athletes. But they're very strong, and they're stronger than all the haters who go on about how "big muscle isn't functional, bodybuilding is dumb."
"If you like metal you're my friend" -- Manowar
"I am the cosmic storms, I am the tiny worms" -- Dimmu Borgir
<BombScare> i beat the internet
<BombScare> the end guy is hard.
What the?! $48 and free shipping to the store for a 35lb KB?!
Are those good KB's? I remember seeing some commercially available ones that had weird handles or weren't that good in some other manner that I don't remember.
Too bad the 55 pound one (1.5 pood) is $97.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Troy-Barbe...bells/14100501
Still much cheaper than DragonDoor, though.
Here's another $35 one for $45 shipped:
http://www.amazon.com/Pound-Kettlebe...dp/B004GXVJIY/
Last edited by IronFist; 07-30-2012 at 07:49 PM.
"If you like metal you're my friend" -- Manowar
"I am the cosmic storms, I am the tiny worms" -- Dimmu Borgir
<BombScare> i beat the internet
<BombScare> the end guy is hard.
Seriously, Christian's Fitness Factory is steal. Quality product too. More of a glossy finish, but great stuff. Just did my kb work this afternoon.
"If you like metal you're my friend" -- Manowar
"I am the cosmic storms, I am the tiny worms" -- Dimmu Borgir
<BombScare> i beat the internet
<BombScare> the end guy is hard.