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    Hi, everyone.

    to keep a long story short, my primary art is Ving Tsun. I was training with my sisook and he told me that our "baat fat/8 methods/8 energies" could all be transferred into our chong choi. I trained that for a while and starting doing my techniques with the intent of striking and when I showed my sisook I started with using my bong sao and his first response was "Good! This is our chaap choi. It's seen in styles like hung gar and choy lee fut, though they train it a lot more and thus have their way of using it very effectively"

    And for that reason, I'm here in the search to understand more about this technique. I apologize if I'm simply talking like a fool, as that's possible since perhaps I need to train more instead of asking questions , but I figure some details from other perspectives could help.

    So I'll simply post my questions and thoughts and hope that someone can give some of their feedback.

    In a Ving Tsun bong sao to the center-line, the chaap choi version would strike to the center. Is this the same angle as other arts? While experimenting with the technique I can see how it seems to have a longer range and hit well when shooting out from the "shoulder line" instead of the main center line.

    What exactly is the striking point for this technique? I've been training w/ my lower three knuckles striking in a fist. But I've searched this topic on this forum and most people seem to use some sort of leopard first.

    Is this technique mainly based on twisting power? This may sound weird since I guess we can say that twisting is in every movement/strike, but with this movement, it seems that it would almost be near useless w/o the twisting

    (Oh and for those who have trained Ving Tsun and want to start off by talking about how I'm completely wrong in relating these two movements/techniques, that's cool too, but please explain why if you can.)
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    NO one in the southern sexion of the forum wants to know about ving chun. you have your own forum.
    stealing concepts from hung gar and choy li fut? weeeeeeak

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    UM, I for one feel that our choy lee fut people shouldn't share our techniques with our mortal enemies.

    if wang chun was so much better than CLF why take our techniques?
    Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
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    Bruh we thought you knew better
    when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better

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    WCK and CLF are not enemies, they are rivals, and that is only in HK due to the rooftop fights, etc.
    WCK and CLF are brothers in arms in the revolution-Fan Ching Fuhk Ming.
    Both styles originated from Siu Lum Kuen, before they became specializations, and separate styles.
    There are many schools that teach these systems side by side.
    "My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
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    WCK and CLF are not enemies, they are rivals, and that is only in HK due to the rooftop fights, etc.
    WCK and CLF are brothers in arms in the revolution-Fan Ching Fuhk Ming.
    tomato...tomahto....potato potahto... rival enemy......we fight. i for one don't like wing chun and don't want them exploring our CLF to include our stuff in theirs.

    if you wish to rik.....give him some of your hung gar to suppliment his wang chun
    Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
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    Bruh we thought you knew better
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    Quote Originally Posted by tentigers View Post
    wck and clf are not enemies, they are rivals, and that is only in hk due to the rooftop fights, etc.
    Wck and clf are brothers in arms in the revolution-fan ching fuhk ming.
    Both styles originated from siu lum kuen, before they became specializations, and separate styles.
    There are many schools that teach these systems side by side.
    traitor !!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snipsky View Post
    NO one in the southern sexion of the forum wants to know about ving chun. you have your own forum.
    stealing concepts from hung gar and choy li fut? weeeeeeak
    Interesting.... but tell me what makes Chaap Choi NOT Wing Chun again??

    FWIW My Sigung taught this as a connective to certain pole methods and we still honour a 'version' of that today in his salutation, except we utilize Chaap Jeung and Gwar Choi

    People make enemies for enemies sake and fairy stories, but I actually thought it was Bakmei who was the enemy of all of us??!

    Not that it matters these days... or so I thought!
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    I practice Siu Lum Hung Kuen.
    I studied CLF to further my understanding of the Leopard/charp choy, and long arm techniques that were within my style.
    I studied Wing Chun and then Later SPM to further delve into the Snake and Crane short bridging techniques that were within my style.
    I studied Hop-Ga/Bak Hok to further understand the element punches and body angling for their usage-again in techniques that were inherent in my style.
    (especially since that is their original source)
    It is not stealing. It is expanding your understanding of techniques which we all share.

    "sharing is caring..."
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    "sharing is caring..."
    call me greedy
    Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
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    Bruh we thought you knew better
    when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better

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    Frank did you not let the other kids play with your toys when you were little?

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    Frank did you not let the other kids play with your toys when you were little?
    i was busy stealing theirs.
    Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
    when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
    Bruh we thought you knew better
    when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better

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    Quote Originally Posted by TenTigers View Post
    I practice Siu Lum Hung Kuen.
    I studied CLF to further my understanding of the Leopard/charp choy, and long arm techniques that were within my style.
    I studied Wing Chun and then Later SPM to further delve into the Snake and Crane short bridging techniques that were within my style.
    I studied Hop-Ga/Bak Hok to further understand the element punches and body angling for their usage-again in techniques that were inherent in my style.
    (especially since that is their original source)
    It is not stealing. It is expanding your understanding of techniques which we all share.

    "sharing is caring..."
    *cough w h o r e *
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    Thumbs up

    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    i was busy stealing theirs.
    Thumbs up to that one

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    I agree with the brother who said that's only in Hong Kong, because from what I've seen the mainland versions resemble complete kung fu systems like Choy Li Fut and Hung Gar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    *cough w h o r e *
    I ain't no ho, I'm a d@mned scientist!!!!!

    "when you steal from one source, it's called plagerism.
    When you steal from a lot of sources, it's called research!"
    "My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
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